Diablo 1, 2, & 3: good clean mindless fun. Each of the three improved on the ones before it.
Diablo 4: dull as dirt. 2 steps back, because the developers tried to turn Diablo into a slow-paced open world game with all the grinding you can possibly do & then some.
I couldn’t care less about “end game.” I care about how I feel playing a game from the beginning. D2 was fun, but had some issues which D3 cleaned up while retaining the fun factor. D4 is slow & the “open world” aspect makes it worse.
I wish we could post animated gifs on this forum. MMO Lite… I don’t know how you don’t feel dumber just typing that. How does the “open world” aspect make it so much worse? lol I’ll leave someone else to question you on the “slow-paced” thing.
The “open world” is precisely what is making the game feel slow & dull. I’m struggling to understand why I need to explain that to you.
OTOH, I have to remember that you’re the one who’s dumb enough to assert that the rest of us misunderstand fun.
No argument here, however people of all educational backgrounds or mental conditions can enjoy the game. It doesn’t mean they will, just means they have the capability to do so, and regardless of how you feel about the game this won’t change.
I don’t fault you for enjoying Overwatch or HotS, even though I could nitpick both apart to the level you pick apart D4. Yes even before they were mismanaged. I could just as easily call you an uneducated chump that bought into the hype of the games regardless of the fact neither game has added anything to either genre that we haven’t already seen.
If anything it’s their simplistic nature of their combat systems that attracted people to them. Yet somehow they get a pass for their previous iterations? I just find that odd is all, considering your argument is against the current combat system in D4.
Now are there any other games you’ve enjoyed or currently enjoy? Doesn’t have to be Blizzard games mind you. Just any at all. If these are the only two that come to mind, I’m thinking video games in general just might not be your thing.
You’ve probably stated your profession before, but you aren’t an engineer by chance?
Humor me. How is the open world making the game slow and dull? Did you know that much of the game isn’t even played in the open world? I’ve been hearing recently that Hell Tides are the only reason the open world is played at all, and I’ve been hearing that they are fast and full of blood. The open world is also especially where you can sneeze and everything drops dead around you.
So the game has no spirit but people of all educational backgrounds or mental conditions can enjoy it beyond my feelings. Ok. …
…O boy. You think you can upset me? Is this what this is about, feeling upset about being attacked for playing a particular game?
Uhm, no. First person shooters are aim and hence skill based. It’s that challenge and competition that makes multiplayer games in particular so successful. Diablo IV lacks these qualities. Overwatch was also much more varied than traditional first person shooter games. One of the things that unraveled Overwatch, however, was when they made the meta not very skill based (the Briggita or however you spell it with tanks). They turned that game dull and unfun, were too stupid to rebalance the game out of it (part of my eventual bigger idea was a ‘GOATS busters’ group of heroes not used in competitive), and backed themselves into the forced 2-2-2 team compositions that was a disastrous change for the game. But to reiterate, taking a dull and unfun turn correlating with mindlessness is what compromised that game as well. Heroes of the Storm was the action-based MOBA trimming a lot of fat from the established games. The combat was largely preserved, if not somewhat intensified, but they made mistakes in the business model and could have actually done more with the combat as well. Those were Blizzard-quality games that were fun to play but mismanaged for different reasons. Diablo IV is quite simply not fun to play, not over the long run. The multiplayer isn’t there, the dynamic challenge isn’t there. You don’t feel rewarded for doing something properly (even the one area of character building is largely taken out of the game with guides), you just do. Run, Forrest, run. It’s just a bunch of autistic monkeys repeating an extremely basic sequence of actions in nominally changing environments, and none of them can figure out what the hell is wrong with the game. Educational backgrounds and mental conditions notwithstanding. Back in the day they used to just call people stupid rather than neurodivergent. 
The only neurodivergence going on in Diablo IV is rationalizing how it’s acceptable… Day9TV on Twitch had a series where he played terrible games called “Just Walking”, because that’s basically what you did. Diablo IV belongs in that series because that’s essentially the gameplay with bells and whistles on the screen. Now who do bells and whistles amuse the most?
One, never question whether video games in general just aren’t my thing. Two, I don’t currently play games and I’m getting very bored. My 20s disappeared playing video games but I at least wasn’t bored.
No… I’m profession fluid.
Buddy, you so adamantly want to impress us with the fact that you’re not just smarter at video games than the rest of us, but smarter about video games… maybe take a look in the mirror before you start assigning mental conditions to people.
Man I really have to give it to the people, Iggi especially here, who have been trying to have a constructive discussion with you while you blithely throw bottom-barrel, outdated, pathetic insults around trying to prove your superiority over us one-button-controller, poop-flinging vidyer game simpletons… just wow, spectacularly unreal.
I’ve been trying here, but I’m not that nice.
I’m impressed at just little self-awareness you have, and how much you care about people on a forum for a video game you think is trash thinking you’re a smart and special snowflake.
That’s not the argument I’m making. The main argument I’m making is that you’re smarter than this video game, for which everyone involved pays a price. It’s an imbalance in need of correction. The game itself has to get smarter or it’s doomed. But for a business if it’s doomed profitably that may be all that’s needed.
Yea, you’re just dumb. Leave it to Iggi and me to have an actual discussion about something at least.
Again, if that’s what I was doing there would be no bigger point or purpose. My premise is that this game treats you like a one-button-controller, poop-flinging vidyer game simpleton, when you are actually MORE than that! 
Well now I’m scared.
He doesn’t currently play anything, but is arrogant & dumb enough to assert the rest of us misunderstand “fun” while arguing about games, on a gaming forum.
/superduperdoubletriplefacepalmheaddesk
Most of the game isn’t played in the open world? That might be true when you’re uber-level – though how you’d know, since you don’t even play, is beyond me – but when you’re a low-level scrub, you are very much playing in the open world, running or riding slowly from place to place.
Maybe you should actually play before you run your mouth.
Erm, I’ve played enough. Did you just call yourself a low-level scrub? And by uber-level, do you mean like >60? Also, so they ruined the game because in earlier levels you breeze through now you actually have to ride or fight your way through the map? Do you actually hear yourself type or are you one of these people without a voice in your head? Incidentally, one of the ideas people had about improving this game was teleporting to dungeons. It’s in the game.
This is what you took away from that paragraph? Really? I’m pointing out what you do constantly in most of your posts. I’m not offended by your insults toward D4 players, but if you find my hypothetical upsetting, maybe consider how your own comments might come across.
For the record, I said, “I could just as easily call you,” which was clearly a hypothetical for the sake of argument, not a direct insult. If you interpret it that way, it suggests there’s an underlying issue to address.
Your mental gymnastics here are impressive. By no means is this a defense of D4; I fully admit it’s a simplistic game by its nature, just like all Diablo games. But your praise for Overwatch and HotS reflects the same pattern: Blizzard simplifying existing concepts to make them more accessible.
Overwatch required skill and team cooperation to win, like any competitive team game. While the meta eventually devolved into waiting for tank ultimates, it fundamentally refined and simplified existing concepts from earlier games, essentially ‘dumbing them down.’
HotS was too late to the MOBA scene, failing to capitalize on DotA’s popularity in WC3. It simplified the genre just as Diablo games have streamlined ARPGs. Calling this “trimming the fat” while dismissing Diablo IV for doing the same undermines your argument and comes off as contradictory.
Blizzard has always been about simplifying genres. Overwatch, HotS, and even Diablo IV follow this pattern. If you’re excusing the first two while condemning the latter, it’s less about the games and more about selective bias.
It’s not about questioning whether video games are your thing, it’s about addressing how you frame your criticisms. You’re quick to dismiss entire games and their player bases, which gives the impression that you’re either overly selective or holding games to an impossible standard. If you enjoy games and have a rich history with them, that’s great, but it’s worth considering that your criticisms often come across as dismissive of anyone who finds value or fun in these experiences.
The fact that you admit to not currently playing any games only further reinforces my point. It’s hard to have a full perspective on the current gaming landscape if you’re not actively engaging with it. What’s also telling is that you haven’t mentioned any other games you’ve enjoyed, aside from the two we’ve already discussed.
It makes me wonder if you’re judging the entire industry based on a narrow view, or perhaps from a place of nostalgia for games you once enjoyed. If you’re genuinely interested in gaming, I’d expect more examples of games you’ve connected with, not just criticism of the ones you don’t like.
I think that says everything we need to know about this user.
iggi is like that lol, tho i think hes trying to help, where any help is useless in this specific case. ^^
My guess is he has a massive inferiority complex, and he feels that this is a safe space full of idiots he can comfortably lord himself over.
Even if he were true, the problem with that is, if you’re king of the losers, you’re still a loser yourself.
hah well said. had a laugh 
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buries face in hands
Don’t try to play logic games of find the inconsistency and blow it out of proportion. Overwatch and HotS were competitive multiplayer games. No idea what you’re comparing Overwatch to in claiming it’s simplified or even in any way a copy. Overwatch advanced and even defined the hero shooter genre. For most intents and purposes it was a novel game, an exception among recent Blizzard releases and was received very positively as well. It was very engaging and well made. HotS retained MOBA fighting while compressing the more arguably tedious and harder to get into aspects.
Diablo IV is single-player. The campaign is considered an introduction to be played through once or at most a few times. The actual game is considered the endgame, where you grind whatever they could scrape together. The game is not innovative, it’s a quintessential Diablo game people have been playing for two decades. Who is going to disagree with the gameplay being extremely basic? How did that one person put it, “one-button-controller, poop-flinging vidyer game simpletons… just wow, spectacularly unreal.”
Anyone disagree?
So… you have this old game with lipstick on it, that goes back to practically the dawn of computer gaming, and it turns out it doesn’t pass the test of time. Players freely admit it’s a mindless game… and they moan and complain about being dissastified… it’s just such a weird environment. By the way, I’m still waiting on your essential problems and solutions. But, this is what happens in weak and moribund communities. Sense disappears. There’s moaning, constant feeble noise, and eventually nothing. It’s just interesting how the communities of these games end up with members who are themselves spent with nothing really to contribute, sort of hanging out, some stopping by to grumble, you’re some sort of voice of attempted reason… silliness.
Gaming Dr. Phil, I’ve only not been playing for less than a year, and that’s not even true as I put tens of hours into Stellaris. Trust me, my view of the “entire” industry isn’t narrow, and there sure as heck is no nostalgia. What sort of a deflection is this? Is Diablo IV a stupid game? Yes or no. Let’s simplify it.
i cant play the dark citadel solo :C
do you have a time machine? d3 did fairly well.
Yea, and you guys made enough stink about that. The point is Diablo IV lacks the multiplayer competitive aspect that confers enormous longevity on a game. That, incidentally, goes down to its combat as well. PvP is asinine.
As did D4, certainly initially. Didn’t it set a record?
D4 problems are more of a showcase of big company AAA problems where the $ has overtaken quality, innovation, and risk taking. And who is to blame for this? Well its not them its us. We are the ones that keep buying the titles, buying the cosmetics, and buying the mounts. If ppl start making the choice with their $ to spend elsewhere then you might see some some actual change but until then can complain and whine all you wan nothing is going to happen while the $ bins fill up.
And what is innovation and risk-taking in an ARPG game, Urza? These are just words. Name one really innovative and risky idea you’ve seen about how to make this game much different, to set it apart.
so you prefer competitive games. d4 doesnt offer that. Got you. Well, have fun with whatever competitive game youll play. Tho… right now you dont play anything from what i understood? thats weird… there are so many competitive games.
isnt it a little early to compared d4 longevity with d3s, or even d2s? =o
Table of Contents
x1. Improvements, Fixes, QoL = 30 Improvements, Fixes, QoL
x2. Calendar = Calendar System Makes Happy Eyeballs 👁
x3. Companion App = Diablo 4 Mobile Companion App
x4. Paragon Stones = Paragon Stones give spinach muscled arms!
x5. Obol Vendor = Obol Vendor becomes a conglomerate!
x6. Build Safezone = Build your own Safezone and gain bonuses with components!
x7. FLEX = NEW FLEX affix is approved by Arnold Schwarzenegger
x8. Shrines = Expanded Shrine System gives better mojo ⛪
x9. Set Items = Set items get Deckard Cain to stay awhile and listen
x10. Treasure Gremlin = Treasure Gremlins are pregnant with goblins!
x11. Empowerment Levels = Empowerment levels gives players purpose at LV 100!
x12. Nightmare Dungeon Affixes = Nightmare Dungeon Affixes can git gud with this updated system! 👍
x13. ChallengeDungeons = Challenge Dungeons make you git gud!
x14. Dungeon Rarity = Dungeon Rarity brings all the boys to the yard! 😂
x15. Legendry Glyphs = Legendary Glyphs make pp into PP
x16. New Helltides = This Updated Helltide system has chance for hell to freeze over. 👿
x17. Eternal Game Modes = NEW Eternal Game Modes are a spicy meatball! 🧆
x18. Events = Event Rarity Makes People Borat I am Excite! 💖
x19. Primals = Octimus Primals! 🕗
x20. Crafting = Why did you Make like a Crafting Skill Tree and 🥬 this out!
x21. Reputation Crafters = Reputation Vendors / Crafters are a Hikaru Juicer 🧃
x22. Gems = He went to Jared to get this Gems upgrade! 💎
x23. Upgraded Occultist = Improved Occultist covets your gems and is not Adam Sandler
x24. Nexus = Live long and prosper with Nexus. New content for high level players. 🖖
x25. Sage Vendor = The NEW Sage Vendor turns your duds into thuds! 😱
x26. DPS dummies = We Need some Mmmm Crash Test Dummies 🪆
x27. Blessing Vendor = Bless me Vendor for I want to sin. 🙅♂️
x28. Hero Variants = By the Power of Greyskull here are Powerful Hero Variants! 💀
x29. Pets = Get a Pet save your mouse clickies! 🐇
x30. Shoulder Gear Slot = NEW Shoulder Slot = 😍
x31. Earring Gear Slot = New 👂 ring Slot = Hear me Roar with approval
x32. Affinity = 3 NEW Affinity Types give players more choices in powering up. 🤔
x33. NEW Gear Affixes = 20 NEW Affixes. PLEASE comment even if you no like. 🤔 - #23 by Urza-1177
x34. NEW Goblins = Goblins Two.oh! 👺
x35. Locations = TBA
x36. Implicit Affixes = NEW Implicit Affixes for all items now Iggified 🆕
x37. Cellars = New idea for cellars 💩
x38. Fathers Blessing = IDEA for EVENT - Fathers Blessing 👴
x39. D4 Gem system = IDEA: The D4 Gem System! 💎.
x40. D4 Currency System = IDEA: The D4 Currency System. 💰.
NEW Boss and UBER distribution idea = NEW Boss and UBER distribution idea. 💡
Mount Racing = Mount Racing. Get your hoof on! 🏇
Unique Enchanting = IDEA - Unique Enchanting! 🦄
Region Economic Buffs = IDEA - Region Economic Buffs. 🦾
Yawnfest S3 = Season 3 has turned into a yawn fest. 🥱
Infernal Helltides = Infernal Helltides (Warning inc essay!) 🔥
10 New Affixes = Bonus 5th Affixes (10 total) make you go wut in the wut wut!? 😕
50 Omega Tips = The 50 Omega Tips Thread (Many for new players) 💁♂️
AoZ fixes and ideas = Salvaging AoZ into something coherant on Eternal 🩸
The Bone Thrall Ballista Thread = The Bone Thrall Ballista 3 Emoji Thread 🏹
Potion Thread = The Toil Trouble Cauldron Bubble Potion Thread 🧴
Runewords reloaded = https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d4/t/runewords-reloaded/154092
Gauntlet 2.0 = https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d4/t/gauntlet-20/153639
New Solution for Gauntlet = https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d4/t/solution-for-gauntlet-problems-fixed-open-version/154353
10 Elephants = https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d4/t/addressing-the-10-elephants-in-the-room/133102
Steel chest solution = https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d4/t/steel-chest-solution-and-qol-for-helltides/138893
D1 Remastered = https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d4/t/please-make-diablo-remastered/155530
Tempering 2.0 = https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d4/t/tempering-20/166561
Pawn Shop Vendor = https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d4/t/new-idea-pawn-shop-vendor/176187
Eternal Mythical Problem = https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d4/t/hold-my-snickers-the-eternal-mythic-problem/190261/4
Hordes Improvement = https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d4/t/the-comprehensive-horde-improvement-thread/208918
The Tippy Tops of 2024 = https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d4/t/the-tippy-tops-of-2024/210994
Poker Charms = https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d4/t/poker-charms/211013
Im sure there is something in there innovative or risky. 