With the new season of blood trailer for Diablo 4 all I can say is pls give San’layn Blizz.
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Don’t forget the Furbolg megathread! 
And as mentioned before, there seems to be a lot of vampiric themes in Diablo games lately, with the newest Diablo IV trailer recently shown having some more vampiric themes. 
Viewer discretion is advised for the following video due to blood and violence:
Gosh…if only there was some way to capitalize on the popularity of vampires in WoW like in Diablo. Like…if there was a race of vampires in the game, probably Blood Elves that have rich lore to work and build on. Maybe something previously offered to join the Horde and would go well as a contrast and supplement to zombie humans, and maybe even getting a seat on the Undercity and Horde Councils. Man…if only such a thing existed. Would make for a totally awesome playable Horde race that’d be incredibly popular. If only… 
–73 days until Blizzcon starts (Nov. 3rd)!–
–Still dreaming of playable Horde San’layn as a full race! 
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I hadn’t fixed that one’s list yet so I didn’t include it. Was literally fixing it today.
Then… As you know… The entire Furbolg thread broke a bit. Lol
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I can update that post with anything else next time I post, I pop in once every one or two months now to show support and all given they are adding stuff in (though I still rarely actually play).
Also yeah I saw the Diablo 4 thing and was going to take a break for the season because meh but the whole vampire theme and doubtless vampire cosmetics coming along with it? I can’t resist.
If there’s a hunger for vampires, Blizzard always has the option to add actual San’layn for Halloween.
I play Balder’s Gate 3 now and should create some San’layn concepts, they have the exact eyes I had been talking about and everything.
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These bats are announcing that it is a new month and that it is the perfect time to submit in-game feedback on the races we want to see playable, including Horde San’layn!
With the beginning of each month, I make in-game suggestions for each race I want to see playable along with a mention of their respective megathreads on these forums. While it is far from a guarantee of seeing our dreams come true, I do think every little bit helps, and doing it monthly I feel is reasonable and not that intrusive or annoying.
If you’re interested in doing the same for races you want to see playable, I made a little guide on how to do so in-game here:
I still have hope for playable Horde San’layn someday. Preferably as their own race, even if the odds seem higher for them as a Customization Race.
—61 Days until Blizzcon starts (Nov. 3rd)!—
–Still dreaming of playable Horde San’layn as a full race!
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So the Dragonflight road map got updated recently, with the next patch having “Blood Elf Customizations” listed:
Image comes from here:
Now, I don’t want to give my hopes up, as this could very well just be regular customizations for Blood Elves. Maybe some new hairstyles with nail polish and toe rings or something for all we know. However, I did want to speculate just for fun.
However, part of me wonders if this could involve expanding and fixing the Darkfallen customization options, since they are part of Blood Elves and could use some fixing with problems several of us have addressed. Likely this is wishful thinking, but with Halloween coming out and Man’ari becoming a customization race, it’d be a pretty good time for San’layn customizations to come with them officially joining the Horde, in addition to fixing the general problems with the Darkfallen customization options.
Something to note is that where on the road map we’d get Man’ari, it just says “New Customizations - Draenei” as opposed to “Man’ari customizations for Draenei…yes, really” on there. Just an interesting observation, so I can’t really say much regarding that for Blood Elves.
I mean, if Man’ari of all beings can perform a huge face turn and go through a redemption arc to become part of the Alliance, I feel like a good counterpart for it would be San’layn. After all, there were still plenty of Horde aligned San’layn from BfA that survived and there is a treasure trove of backstory to work with them being playable, as well as being former Kael’thas loyalists that could get accepted back into the fold. I mean, it couldn’t be as bad as letting demonic red Draenei loose in Alliance cities unattended, could it?
While fitting for Halloween, this all is just wishful thinking. Not to mention that if San’layn were a customization race, there is the question of it would get added to Void and Night Elves possibly.
Anyway, I figured I’d mention it just in case. I’m keeping expectations tempered and low. Though as I said, would be great to finally see San’layn join the Horde, even if it’d be just as customization options. Especially with Halloween coming up fast. 
If something comes out of it, I’ll be sure to report here. But as I said, keep expectations low, as it likely would just be Blood Elf stuff and not anything to do with Darkfallen and/or San’layn. Still, a part of me keeps a bit of hope… 
—57 Days until Blizzcon starts (Nov. 3rd)!—
–Still dreaming of playable Horde San’layn as a full race!
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So it looks like an old world (of Warcraft!) revamp or update is a possibility, though no timeframe on when it could occur:
In terms of San’layn, the biggest chance of seeing them in an old world (of Warcraft!) revamp/update would be in the Ghostlands. Some of the ideas presented in this megathread would involve the San’layn taking residence in Deatholme, which one apparently did…well, before they went evil and we had to blow them up.
As we’ve discussed before, the Ghostlands is a fitting place for San’layn, given that they would be next to Silvermoon, in order to help defend the area and such. And we know that there were still some Horde-aligned San’layn from BfA that survived, so that could also come into play with their storyline.
And of course, this is me hoping that the San’layn would be their own race as opposed to a customization race. And while San’layn presence in the Ghostlands would be low in a revamp/update, it’s still something to keep in mind for when it actually happens…which again, we don’t know when it will.
Still, when an old world (of Warcraft!) revamp does happen, I’ll be sure to keep an eye out for San’layn related stuff to help report on!
Also, I’m at three posts in a row again, which prevents me from making more posts in a thread I didn’t make until someone else posts, so if I could ask something to make a post here so I can continue to make posts in the future, I would very much appreciate it!
—56 days until Blizzcon starts (Nov. 3rd)!—
–Still dreaming of playable Horde San’layn as a full race!
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I absolutely support this concept. This would stem the tide of “wild” Scourge and give the San’layn a home near their ancestral land where they can begin anew and start to deal with what Arthas did to them. Meanwhile the scar can start getting healed by new Blood Elf druids, Shamans and the Blood Knights.
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Following up on this, it was the 4 pastel hair colors that Humans/Orcs got.
Though there is still hope we could get something more.
Though, the timing with Man’ari make me think Felblood options are the most likely. But that’s far from a curtanty.
That would be pretty cool and make the most sense.
Assuming the world revamp isn’t Azeroth doesn’t hatching like an egg and we have to survive on the chunks.
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Did the Man’ari unlock questline and got some interesting vibes from it that could apply to San’layn. Questline is here:
Granted, San’layn were in a different situation than Man’ari. They fell following Kael’thas and then were forced into servitude of the Lich King with some pretty crappy health insurance and benefits.
Still, the fact that Man’ari are doing a face turn and getting forgiven makes me feel like the Blood Elves could accept the San’layn back into the fold. I mean, right now, the San’layn are still looked down upon, as from that questline where we had to blow up one that took over Deatholme unfortunately.
Despite that, there are still several San’layn that survived in BfA that went off to…work on their finances and learn how to dance or something, but there are still several Horde aligned San’layn still out there.
And as stated before, it wasn’t the San’layn’s fault they got into the situation they were in. I mean, a lot of Blood Elves trusted and followed Kael’thas back then, and it’s not exactly fair they got cursed in such a state without any equivalent of nicotine patches to help their addiction to blood and such.
I still think there is a good story to have the San’layn show they’re not evil with the depth of a spit blob on the pavement. If the Draenei can see the true meaning of Winter Veil, I don’t see why the Blood Elves can’t see the San’layn as some of their own. If Man’ari can do a face turn, why wouldn’t San’layn be able to be written as such?
Let them settle in Deatholm to help protect Silvermoon against the Scourge and any other threats in the area. Several possibilities there, even if you have an event like the pre-Cataclysm expansion events that lead to the Trolls and Gnomes taking over their homes again…well, the Gnomes somewhat doing that anyway.
Something else also interesting was that there was a bit at the end of the Man’ari unlock questline that has people speculating that we could see the Broken again in the future, with the usual speculation of them being playable. Wouldn’t that be a pretty neat playable race to go with San’layn? Sort of a twisted Burning Crusade callback in a way with two races that got cursed in a sense. And this way, they could both be their own races with their own identity, racials, and such. Much better than Blood Elves and Draenei cosplaying and LARPing as them, in my own opinion.
I know I’ve harped on the San’layn being more than they have been shown currently, but I still feel it’s important to keep at it. Even if they would end up as a customization race, which I guess is better than nothing. I’m sure I’ll continue to sound like a broken record, as I want to keep going with playable Horde San’layn support.
Ah well, a Darkspear Troll can dream…a Darkspear Troll can dream…
—52 days until Blizzcon starts (Nov. 3rd)!—
–Still dreaming of playable Horde San’layn as a full race!
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Wanted to wish everyone a happy Autumn, since it has officially started awhile ago! 
October is coming up pretty fast, and with Halloween also coming up and being one of my favorite holidays, I’m wanting to do some extra posting for Horde San’layn stuff. Even if it seems like they would be a customization race at best, which is unfortunate, I’d still want to see them officially part of the Horde, introduce their lore before and after becoming San’layn, and storyline potential explored in-game. Frankly, there is quite a lot of it to just ignore it and keep them as generic quest jobbers and loot piñatas.
Speaking of story stuff, some news popped up regarding Chris Metzen recently:
I honestly don’t know if this helps San’layn at all, but I don’t see it hindering chances either. All we can do is keep at it with the playable Horde San’layn support as best as we can.
Anyway, I’ll see if I can make some fun posts during October. I might even take some screenshots with my “San’layn” character also. Just wish his hair wouldn’t go through the back of his helm transmog. I hate using quotes around San’layn like that, but it’s how I feel with how lackluster the treatment customization races have gotten. Still hoping for the best for playable Horde San’layn, of course.
—38 days until Blizzcon starts (Nov. 3rd)!—
–Still dreaming of playable Horde San’layn as a full race!
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Beat me to it 
According to a friend of mine (I don’t have a source, this is just word by mouth, so you know. Grain of salt) Metzen wanted the San’layn to have more of a role in the game. In a good way. And be a help against the scourge. Which would make a ton of sense given San’layn know the scourge well, are incredibly smart, and can make their own decisions.
We also know they’re looking for a home (and had been looking for one in the Horde) since BfA.
I hope San’layn stop getting the villain bat and start getting treated more like Death Knights. The scourge is, as far as I know, still active. They could potentially be a threat again, who knows. And San’layn could help with that.
I do keep seeing vampires popping up more and more as a hot topic (pun not initially intended but now intended). I hope we get more vampire lore in general, and what was revealed in Legion expanded too. Clearly they’re popular. We’ve been trying for many years now so hey. Never know what may be ahead of us.
Alls I know is that if Man’ari can be accepted into the Alliance and given lore as to why, I’m hoping the San’layn are accepted into the Horde/neutral with story too, or even better, a fully fleshed playable race. Longshot, but never know.
Again, there are so many ways to make them very distinct, outlined in the first post.
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If true, that is a pretty good sign that we could see them fleshed out more and maybe even become playable in some fashion, which I will admit is still a bit of wishful thinking. Moreso whenever the old world (of Warcraft!) revamp ever becomes a thing, since that would work well with an updated Ghostlands, Eversong Forest, and Silvermoon. Another chance for a neat event like the Cataclysm pre-expansion events too.
That said, I’m still tempering expectations, but I do feel inspired to keep at it with the playable Horde San’layn support. It’s about time I make some updated posts about them with a more current look as well.
I still say Deatholme is the perfect place for them. They can help keep the Scourge in the area in check, the area suits them perfectly, and they’re right by Silvermoon to help defend it as needed.
A lot of vampire stuff has been popping up in various media. Even in several Activision games, like Diablo Immortal and Call of Duty, have had vampire stuff in it. Really wish WoW would get its turn with playable Horde San’layn, especially with it making for a fun Halloween event.
Several playable races were once entirely bad guy mooks with the depth of a raindrop on concrete. Even several NPC races have either had pretty big face turns, like the Rajani Mogu, or fleshed out to be even more than being brainless mooks, like the Gilgoblins with the Kelfin. I see no reason why San’layn would remain an outlier in that. Especially with how Man’ari were before.
—38 days until Blizzcon starts (Nov. 3rd)!—
–Still dreaming of playable Horde San’layn as a full race!
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So gordamn excited Chris Metzenis going to have creative control! I hope this goes back to a Warcraft thats a little more lore consistent.
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Oh I hope so!!!
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Seeing as the San’layn might have a…hmm, is bright future really fitting here? Ah well, seeing as they have a bit of a chance for a more positive future, I figured it was about time to go over some aspects of them again as reminders and also taking a new look since we’ve moved far beyond BfA and…something else that came before Dragonflight that for some reason, I keep thinking of a giant toilet constantly flushing. Ah well, it likely was nothing important.
Chances are I’m going to either miss something or need a correction on something, in which case please feel free to add or correct me. Though I try hard, I’m not perfect by any means.
Now, lets put together what we’ve gotten from our investigations:
-The Vampyr Curse-
So we know the San’layn have a Vampyr Curse of some kinda which is why they’re rather bloodthristy. This of course was granted to them by the Lich King when he raised those Blood Elves in Kael’thas’ army (more on that in a bit) and gave them a pretty lousy job offer with lame health benefits that they couldn’t really refuse. I blame Azeroth’s economy, really.
We don’t know how the Lich King had access to this curse, how it was implemented, and why it stayed on the San’layn when we beat up Arthas, where he later went poof after the whole Helm of Domination being destroyed in the giant toilet, I dunno, details seem hazy on that one. You’d think that would grant the San’layn a bit more control of themselves, but as we’ve seen, some still go into business for themselves as generic mustache twirling villains.
If I were to guess, there could be a controlling force behind the Vampyr Curse thing that we likely need to beat up in order to free the San’layn from control. I know there have been origins of this Vampyr Curse involving Vrykul before, which would make for some great backstory. That said, San’layn are the main focus of who we want to free in such a scenario, so maybe a researcher NPC could study up on that to help figure out who we need to beat up.
Sure, keeping them as vampires after the fact would likely still stand, seeing as we have walking zombie Humans and Elves running around that Azeroth’s health insurance won’t cover, But at least afterwards, they could be more in control of themselves and maybe their addiction to blood could be better handled.
Of course, it doesn’t need to be this way. Maybe San’layn are in control of themselves after the Helm of Domination was destroyed. Some could just have gone into business for themselves with the power their got or went insane while others are just trying to stay alive in a world (of Warcraft!) that view them as monsters. It’s another thing to consider, and I can’t say what the best direction is for them.
So two points of this Vampyr Curse I see in a realistic scenario: Potentially beat up a big bad to free them and give them some way to control their urge for blood. Maybe something like a nicotine patch for vampires? I dunno, that is something for me to write up in another post.
-Backstory and Acceptance-
So we know that the San’layn have been Blood Elves who were once the greatest followers of Kael’thas (more on him in a bit). And of course, that turned out to be a bum deal they got out of it all in the end.
Thoughts on Kael’thas in general from Silvermoon would likely be…less than perfect, shall we say. However, some who did live while serving Kael’thas were allowed back into the fold:
“Regent Lord Lor’themar Theron mentioned that a number of the Sunfury had recently returned to Quel’Thalas from Outland, and that their input had ensured the Farstriders have become a little less strained with protecting Quel’Thalas’ borders. Though their return was a surprise to some, it serves as a reminder that not all of the sin’dorei within Kael’thas’ forces were willing to share in the prince’s dark fate”
So given that, I see no reason why Silvermoon couldn’t learn the true meaning of Winter Veil and welcome them back in. I mean, the Alliance lets the Man’ari run around freely and they were very lacking in moral fiber, so I don’t really see San’layn, who at the time died fighting for Silvermoon even if they were following Kael’thas, being in such a situation of being undead with an addiction, something not wholly unfamiliar to Blood Elves, being given the boot by Silvermoon.
So acceptance shouldn’t really be an issue should we save the San’layn and with them wanting to reconnect with Silvermoon and help protect it again. Just throw an epic pizza party and all will be forgiven! 
-Survivors of BfA-
Something worth nothing is despite Dreven going boom, there were some survivors of the San’layn trying to join the Horde.
There is a ship that I believe was full of San’layn Neophytes still, who are friendly to the Horde. Their whereabouts and what they’ve been doing since BfA however is unknown since nothing got mentioning about San’layn at all afterwards anywhere.
However, given there were survivors, this is fairly important and likely could help lead in to future San’layn storylines.
-Leader of the Pack-
Another thing to consider is who would lead the San’layn. There are a few potential ideas here.
With regards to Kael’thas, which is one of several ideas, the idea could be that as punishment and part of his attonement, he would be turned into the San’layn by the psuedo-vampires in the giant toilet or revived as one by someone with access to his body, even if it is in pieces, and sent to Azeroth to help save the San’layn, who were his followers, and also to make it up to Silvermoon for betraying them that isn’t just an ice cream cake with an apology on top.
The idea here is that getting yelled at until he gives in to either go elsewhere in the giant toilet or to join the psuedo-vampires in yelling at people and having tea parties is a bit of a damp squib of an ending for him. Doing it the way I mentioned is a way of actually redeeming himself.
Of course, as I mentioned, this is just one idea. There are many ways to handle Kael’thas. However, given that Lor’themar apparently jumped into the giant toilet to talk with him about something, I assume it isn’t about the stock market, would be a little more meaningful if that inspired something about redemption as a San’layn. But as I said, it’s just one idea.
Another idea is one of the missing Blood Princes that haven’t died yet. Maybe they regained their senses and gathered other San’layn with them to try and survive. Fleshing them out a bit more would be rather interesting, especially with them coming to terms with what all they’ve done while under the control of the Lich King.
And lastly, there could be a brand spanking new San’layn character, likely of blood royalty of some kind, that could come into the picture and be similar to the above paragraph. Not sure if there would be more to work with here or not.
Whatever the case, I do feel like Blood Royalty is pretty important to San’layn culture that it would be kept in. Maybe it’d be a way to handle what San’layn are by taking it from the Scourge and making it their own. Sorta like how the Forsaken have their own identity apart from humans in a way.
At least that way, even as a Customization Race, they have something of their own and aren’t just tossed into the Darkfallen, forgotten about, and have no presence. This way, they can take pride of taking what the Scourge made them and making it their own while doing good.
-A place to call home-
I’ve been of the opinion that Deatholme in the Ghostlands is the perfect place for the San’layn for many reasons.
First off, San’layn being able to help keep the Scourge in check would be invaluable to have. I’m sure Silvermoon would be able to sleep better knowing that the undead won’t be kicking down their lawn ornaments any time soon.
Second, it gives a reason for Deatholme to still be a place. Honestly, I don’t know what the Blood Elves are doing with it, and seeing as that one San’layn just waltz in and took it over for his own nefarious deeds, I assume it isn’t well guarded. With the San’layn, they can keep guard of it, have a place to keep the Scourge in check, and also be a garrison for if there are any attacks from undead, Forest Trolls, Alliance, or door-to-door life insurance salesmen.
Third, if they become their own playable race, it’s a great starting place for them. Moreso if the old world (of Warcraft!) ever gets revamped. Even if they start in Exile’s Reach, there is still a place to call home.
Fourth, they’re close to Silvermoon. They would be accepted, but maybe given their condition, they feel more comfortable staying in the Ghostlands to help there. Especially when it comes to keeping the undead in check.
Thus why I continue to keep the opinion of where San’layn would best reside
-Conclusion-
As I said, I likely have forgotten some things or got something wrong. I’m sure I’ll add more to that list, but the post has gotten big enough as it is already.
San’layn have a lot going for them with their whole backstory and storyline potential. Not to mention that vampires are still pretty popular, and if other Activision-Blizzard games get to have vampire stuff, including of the playable variety, why not do that for WoW as well?
And yes, I know that the chances are higher that they’d be a Customization Race instead of a full race. Even as such, there is still plenty you can do storyline-wise that I think would be fairly popular.
Thus I continue to keep at it to see playable Horde San’layn become a thing. I don’t want them forgotten, I don’t want their potential squandered, and I don’t want to just see them be villain-batted and have that be all there is to them.
Anyway, I’ll do some more posts in the near future as I feel inspired. Until then, I’ll keep dreaming!
—37 days until Blizzcon starts (Nov. 3rd)!—
–Still dreaming of playable Horde San’layn as a full race!
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Happy October everyone!
As I mentioned, I’ll be trying to make some fun posts throughout the month since October is one of my favorite months.
Lots of spooky stuff to celebrate this month, but what is scary however is the lack of actual San’layn presence in the Horde! So I’ll do my usual post of how to submit in-game feedback for races we want to see playable!
With the beginning of each month, I make in-game suggestions for each race I want to see playable along with a mention of their respective megathreads on these forums. While it is far from a guarantee of seeing our dreams come true, I do think every little bit helps, and doing it monthly I feel is reasonable and not that intrusive or annoying.
If you’re interested in doing the same for races you want to see playable, I made a little guide on how to do so in-game here:
Whether as a full race (preferably of course) or as a customization race, I still want to see San’layn officially part of the Horde with their storyline potential explored. Still hoping for the best for playable Horde San’layn!
—33 days until Blizzcon starts (Nov. 3rd)!—
–Still dreaming of playable Horde San’layn as a full race!
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With the Man’ari and the likely upcoming Algarian Earthen…it’d be nice for them to continue the trend of adding requested “subraces”. San’layn would be a perfect addition, but I’d really like to see them done with a bit more effort. They’re real deserving of more customization options.
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So one of the things I like to do for the month in here is to post recipes in video and text form of some Halloween treats you can make.
For this post, I came across a video for how to make some Vampire Treats, which use Graham Crackers. Video is here:
And the full recipe in text form is here:
I’ll likely be sharing more Halloween recipes and such, mostly vampire related, in here as I find time in the month. And if you want to make these treats, why not do it with some fitting music to go with it:
Timestamps to all the tracks in that video are in the video’s YouTube page in the Description section.
—28 days until Blizzcon starts (Nov. 3rd)!—
–Still dreaming of playable Horde San’layn as a full race!
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Just little old me popping in to say hello!
Still no San’layn and thus I am still sad 
Blizzard please bless us with San’layn
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hiiiii
bless us blizzard buddies. if not a idependent allied race more customization options.
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