This post is about the idea of adding what was RSV + modern design applications, as a 4th spec option for the class. The concept has been updated to fit the philosophies and changes to the design of classes in general for Dragonflight. All baseline abilities that are given on a class-wide basis would be the same for all hunter specs, incl this one. And for the talents for Munitions(old RSV), see below.
As usual, any numbers mentioned are only here to provide further depth to the concept and are ofc subject to change. Feedback is appreciated!
Starting ability in the class tree, given for free
I would move Serpent Sting from its current position in the class tree, to take the place of Concussive Shot as a free starting talent for those who pick Munitions. Concussive Shot itself, I would simply move it down a row or two, like the image shows. Again, this new spec would be given Serpent Sting for free, similar to how for example Beast Mastery gets Kill Command for free.
Mastery Bonus
[Mastery Bonus: Toxicology] - Increases all non-physical damage dealt by X%, based on Mastery.
Specialization Talents
I would argue that Lone Wolf shouldnât be a talent, but a baseline passive for both Munitions and Marksmanship. For anyone who want to use it.
Iâve made the tree available in a calculator for the concept seen below. Feel free to check it out. The image below shows a mock-up of what the spec tree for Munitions(old RSV) could look like, based on the new design found in the link for the calculator, also seen below. Feedback is much appreciated.
After itâs installed, start it up. Once it is, click on the + to open a new tab. This makes a small pop-up window appear, in which you can choose to import a preset from an existing spec/class, or you can import a custom one. To get the concept above imported, copy-paste the code on the pastebin page, all of it, into the custom import box and click âImport Treeâ.
Man I miss ranged survival. Favorite all time spec. I quit early into MoP and came back for SL and literally said wtf is this. Whoever said RSV was too much like MM and changed it was 100% braidead or just making s**t up. Thatâs why I loved it. Elemental dmg that took advantage of a diff set up raid buffs. DoT dmg and some traps were a fun playstyle for me. Lock and load with explosive shot during black arrow uptime was fun as hell. Then they gut RSV and give explosive shot to MM. I mostly love SL it does alot of stuff right but class balance and design isnt one of those things. Petition signed for a 4th spec!!
Iâm down for this. I really enjoy the current iteration of SV. But you just made me all nostalgic for some LOCK AND LOAD!! Plus Iâm always down for shaking things up. Keeps things interesting through the years
That was the goal^^. Hopefully weâll see it(RSV) back some day.
<3
Appreciate it, although keep in mind this:
I have no interest in removing an existing hunter spec, such as MSV, in favor of bringing RSV back. For one, we donât have to because the above is not the same as anything the class has atm. It doesnât have to be a case of âeither-orâ.
One thing Iâd like to point out here is that this introduces some serious non-linear scaling.
For example, letâs say you have 10% mastery. Ignoring Munition Tactics for the moment, Black Arrow will have an uptime at 0% mastery of 12/30 = 40%. The mastery will increase this in a non-linear manner. Specifically, it clips if it gets at least 2 resets, but since resets can âchainâ, itâs actually better than linear despite the clipping. I threw together a quick sim, and across the range 0% to 50% (in 5% increments), you get between 0.4% and 0.5% uptime for each 1% mastery, with the amount gained increasing as your mastery level goes up.
Anyway, point is, as mastery goes up, so too does uptime. But it also increases damage while active, and beyond that also increases average Explosive Shot reset rate (since thatâs effectively proportional to uptime).
For example, at 10% mastery, you have a ~44.20% uptime on 10% damage increase, for a total of +4.42% damage. At 20% mastery, you have a ~46.45% uptime on a 20% damage increase, for a total of +9.29%, which is 2.1x as much as you had at 10%. At 50% (probably impossible, but still illustrative), you have ~65.00% uptime on a 50% damage increase, for a total of +32.5%, 7.35x as much as at 10% despite only having 5x as much mastery percentage.
Add on top of that the roughly 47% increased average rate of Explosive Shot resets (due to having 147% as much uptime, 44.20% â 65.00%, and youâre getting way more than 5x as much benefit from having 5x as much mastery. In fact, I wouldnât be surprised, depending on tuning of ability coefficients, if it exceeded a 10x benefit compared to the value at 10% mastery.
Anyway, TL;DR, this Mastery might be doing too much, and/or need a redesign. Honestly, despite it being relatively âboringâ, the old âyou do X% more elemental damageâ mastery was pretty effective. It also benefitted AoE, which this one one really does during Munition Tactics.
Honestly, from a rotational differentiation perspective, I think this would make more sense if it were casted like Steady Shot. RSV didnât suffer for that back in WoD and MoP, and having an entire rotation of nothing but instant abilities gets rather boring, especially when theyâre all just variants of âshoot a colorful arrowâ. Otherwise the only rotational variation is the once-per-minute Immo Trap.
As stated in the opening segment, all numbers are subject to change and are not to be taken as anything final. Itâs more about the individual mechanics as thematic additions as well as forâŚproof of concept.
Having said that, if the design of the Mastery-effect I proposed simply cannot be adjusted to a satisfying degree, to a point where the numbers make sense, Iâd be happy to hear about any suggestions. Worth noting is that I donât intend for the damage bonus provided by the Mastery to be scaling the same way as the secondary effect.
Example: Letâs say you have 10% Mastery, and that this would mean that you have a 10% chance for the duration of Black Arrow to refresh instead of drop off upon expiration.
But for the first effect, the increase to damage done, would/should ofc be quite a bit lower than the above. If the secondary effect seen above is at 10%, maybe the first effect/damage bonus could be around 5%?
And thus, double that, youâd get 10% more damage and a 20% chance to refresh.
Triple, 15% more damage, 30% chance to refresh.
Again, numbers arenât final.
On another note, as youâve probably noticed, by default outside of RNG and without certain talents picked, you would only have a 40% uptime on Black Arrow. But I have no intention to keep it that low when you combine everything, quite the opposite.
My goal is that, depending on what talents you pick, you should get close to or even reach 100% uptime on Black Arrow(w/e makes the feel/gameplay the best really). Especially during Munition Tactics where you should be able to keep/build Black Arrow up on multiple targets at once, and especially if theyâre stacked closer together.
I thought of that initially, but in the end I decided not to assign a cast time to Cobra Shot since they made it an instant cast-ability going into Legion.
And in my mind at least, considering how the goal is to double down on the DoT-gameplay as a concept/theme, for example with the talent Spitting Cobra as seen above, IMO it would feel better not having to plan/play around the maintenance aspects of DoT-management through an ability with a cast time.
See my comment just above this one.
True, unless you decide to pick the talent Dire Frenzy.
Ya, but it still suffers from the same issue. The mastery is increasing both the potency and uptime of a damage amp, one that also has rotational effect by making Explosive Shot available more often due to Lock and Load. Unless it were simply crazy undertuned, mastery would inevitably be SVâs best stat with that design.
The core issue is that it gets better the more of it you have. It scales quite a bit better than linearly. Most stats either stat the same (in terms of absolute benefit per point, their marginal percentage value per point always goes down) or get slightly worse as you get more. Basically, I think the mastery is trying to do too many things at once.
Eh, they made it an instacast ability in Legion because it was becoming BMâs consumer, equivalent to Arcane Shotâs current rotational role for MM. Your design for RSV has essentially 6 instacast âshotsâ, 5 of which are spenders with varying effects and one of which is a generator. The rotation itself would feel rather too similar, imo.
I mean, Iâm talking like a 1.5s cast here, GCD-length. The cast time is just there to provide some variety, it wouldnât meaningfully affect actual rotational pacing.
Ya, about that. Dire Frenzy as described is basically just Barbed Shot. I doubt thatâd make itâs way into RSV as a talent. Itâs too centrally thematic for BM. Theyâd have to redesign BMâs core gameplay to ditch it.
Also, itâs distinctly odd to add a pet-focused ability to a spec that also has Lone Wolf. Think you might be trying to bring in too many animal-focused talents here. This isnât BM.
Also, that talent would be replacing what is otherwise a spammable filler with a charge-based ability is problematic. That leaves RSV without a spammable focus dump.
If the cast time added equates to a GCD or even close to it, then what would be the difference?
You wait on the GCD to cast something else, or you stare at a cast bar for the length of a GCD to cast something else? I assume that you intend for it to be castable on the move as it used to be?
I meanâŚnot really. For one, DF as a talent here is not designed to where you have to rely on RNG for a high/constant uptime. DF is not a ranged shot And itâs a direct attack performed by your pet, vs a DoT in Barbed Shot.
The maintenance aspects of it are not at all the same thing as what can be seen with Barbed Shot.
Itâs one ability.
Besides, the intent was to keep it optional(a talent) so that anyone who wanted to go with Lone Wolf could do so. We have MM which is very much intended to be the spec without any pet reliance whatsoever beyond the very basiscs.
We have BM and now MSV both of which have mandatory pet reliance as core parts of their gameplay.
The intent was for RSV to then be a middle-ground, where players could still go with Lone Wolf if they donât want to play with a pet, but also have the option to play with a pet and make more use of it in cases where they might want to or where it just might be helpful. Either way, again, itâs 1 talent. If players canât make use of a single talent(2 if you count 1 on the AoE-tier) because theyâve chosen to go with Lone Wolf, is that really a big deal?
No it doesnât.
If you check the intended design, youâll see that it has 3 charges. Ofc itâs not infinitely spammable, but how often is that an intended form of gameplay for a filler ability?
Having said that, if there needs to be some adjustments to the CD of the charges assigned to the ability, fair enough.
Rotational role. MM is the one thematically based around cast-time consumers, so BM got it instacast. I think it moved also somewhat just to differentiate it from itâs prior incarnation as a nature-damage variant of Steady Shot.
Because cast bars shuffle the rotational feel. The actual pacing wouldnât change, but how the rotation flowed and felt from a player perspective would.
Yes, no reason to lock another spec down like MM. >.>
So itâs Barbed Shot with a different graphic, without Wild Call, and without the irrelevant bleed that literally no one actually cares about. Itâs still mechanically nearly identical. It has a similar usage rate, it stacks if used repeatedly, and itâs mostly there to buff the pet, not the hunter. It really is basically just talenting into Barbed Shot.
Honestly, saying thatâs not Barbed Shot is like arguing MSVâs Kill Command isnât like BMâs Kill Command because one is a generator with an RNG reset and the other is a high-damage consumer. BM hunter are still rightfully outraged to see Kill Command effectively stolen by MSV.
Kinda, ya. Itâd be like adding a talent to Fury that only works if youâre running Single Minded Fury, or adding a talent to Windwalker that only works if youâre using a 2hander. Adding a talent to DKs that only works with one specific Runeforge.
Having Lone Wolf be an option means it needs to actually be optional. When you start adding talents around one of the options, it ceases being an option and becomes a matter of balance. If that talent is balanced as the best option at some given time, then Lone Wolf effectively is just wasted spellbook space.
ErmâŚyou understand that charge-based abilities cool down sequentially, not in parallel, right? Adding charges to an ability doesnât really increase the average rate at which you can use it. Having 3 charges on an 8s recharge doesnât mean you can use it 3 times every 8 seconds, it means you can use it, on average, once every 8s, and can simply hold 24s of recharge at a time.
It still floors at an average rate of the recharge time, which means that if youâre generating enough focus that youâd be using your filler spender more often than once every 8 seconds, well, now youâre just SOL. You have no options for spending that excess focus.
Sure, like you said, quite a boring effect. And, one that also results in how your mastery would no longer have an impact on physical damage(such as your Auto Attacks which are stronger now relative to what they were in WoD), and it would also result in how anyone who runs with a pet is worse off compared to those who go for Lone Wolf as it wouldnât affect pet damage.
And, it would also result in weaker Cobra Shots since those now deal physical damage. And yes, CS here is intended to be a generator so, not a massive issue, but still.
I meanâŚfair enough, although I find it strange how it should be an instant cast for BM but have a cast time for, in this case, RSV.
Cobra Shot in itself is just as synonymous with RSV as it is for BM, both specs always shared that ability while it was in the game, so I see no issue with both specs having it. It being a filler/spender for one spec and a generator for the other isâŚnot ideal, but it wouldnât be the first time we see things like that.
But IMO, if they then also start changing/adding more impactful mechanical functionsâŚexplain to me how it makes sense for it to be an instant cast for one spec but have a cast time for another spec? Despite how the theme of it is to reflect the rapid attacks of a serpent?
Barbed Shot: Ranged Shot, applies a bleed effect(DoT), adds a stacking(multiple) attack speed bonus to the pet, involves RNG, CDR for a major CD of the spec, generates Focus, is arguably the most important core function of the spec.
Dire Frenzy: Pet based attack, deals instant damage, adds a damage bonus to frequent repeat usage of the ability, no RNG, costs Focus, is a filler ability.
The only similarity between the two, is the fact of how it involves a damage amp, even though that particular one is not the same one for both abilities, neither in terms of functionality, nor in theme.
If I had named it Barbed Shot(incl making it a ranged shot) and had made it a generator instead of a spender, I would agree with you. Then the two would deff be too similar to one another.
Isnât that the case with MM right now? In terms of the Lone Wolf-passive that is.
I mean with how, if it turns out that you do more damage in certain scenarios with a pet as MM thenâŚis LW a waste of space for MM?
Note that weâre not concerned with min-maxing on the highest levels here. Weâre not talking about theoretical differences of 10+ % between the different talent choices. Rather, somewhere closer to 1% or so.
All talents are optional. Use them if you want, or donât.
Yep, that I do.
Which is why I said that if there needs to be some adjustments to the CD time in order to make the pacing better, then that should be done. Perhaps it should be 5 or 6 sec per charge instead of 8?
I mean, the same is true of Unholyâs mastery, and itâs one of their best stats. Same for Frost DK, doesnât affect their primary spender (except with Killing Machine), and yet is a very strong stat for them. Frankly, itâs just a tuning thing.
The benefit of that type of mastery, while itâs âboringâ on the surface, is that as gear advances, the rotational focus shifts more and more acutely to maximizing your elemental damage abilities, like Explosive Shot here.
The same is true of MM right now, MM mastery does not affect the pet. But running with a pet is still within about 1% DPS of without, at least in ST (AoE, itâs a larger gap, because the pet doesnât AoE, but the same would be true of this RSV concept).
Thereâs nothing that says Cobra canât go back to nature damage. Still, itâs fine if your mastery doesnât impact your builder. BM mastery doesnât impact Barbed Shot or Cobra Shot, and itâs still a solid stat for them. Retributionâs mastery affects neither Blade of Justice or Crusader Strike (or their auto-attacks).
Honestly, Iâm not convinced BM should retain it, tbh. Cobra Shot fills a nearly identical role for BM as Arcane Shot does for MM. Why not simply make Arcane Shot BMâs spammable spender? Heck, could even give BM SVâs casted Cobra Shot, without the focus regen, just to give them something to do during their downtime.
cough Kill Command coughcough =P
Though actually, even aside from that, Execute is another good example. Itâs a generator with a CD for Fury, and a spammable (well, no-CD, itâs metered by resource generation) spender that nearly entirely replaces other spenders during Execute for Arms.
Still, nothing says it has to be Cobra Shot. Itâs a generator, thereâs nothing really thematically tying the current instant spender physical-damage version of Cobra Shot to RSV.
Also, Iâd like to point out that your proposal was having it be a generator for one spec and a spender for the other. You already acknowledge that the same spell working differently for different specs is fine.
Oh, and for an example of an ability thatâs instant for one spec and casted for another, Corruption. Itâs only instacast for Aff. Granted, itâs not rotational for Demo and Destro (except maybe sub-level-10). But itâs an example of exactly that situation.
Itâs a charge-based ability with a relatively short that amps up the pet, and gains advantages for re-casting it within a certain interval. In terms of rotational role, itâs very very similar.
Youâre also suggesting replacing SVâs spammable spender with a pet attack. That makes the pet way too central to their rotation. We already have BM for that, we donât need to try to steal BMâs thunder in SV. If you want SV to sit somewhere between MM and BM as far as pet importance goes, just remove Lone Wolf from SV. No need to have a specific focused pet amp as a primary rotational spender.
No, because there arenât any talents that specifically require or donât work with Lone Wolf. There are scaling arguments about it, but for single target damage, using a pet and not using one are actually shockingly close.
I mean, people already get annoyed as MM that you have to summon a pet to use lust. Do you really want them complaining about a spec that has Lone Wolf, but also has a talent that literally doesnât even work (and replaces a ranged shot!) without a pet out? Literally equivalent to adding a talent to Fury that requires 1h weapons, or to Windwalker that requires a 2h weapon. Why even have the option if youâre going to have talents that mandate one of the two?
Still creates a ceiling beyond which excess focus is simply wasted, because you lack the ability to spend it. This is why spammable spenders arenât replaced by non-spammable ones. Generators can work that way, because you can balance the generation rate, but even then that generally only happens on classes without substantial passive regen (Enh and Vengeance being good examples that have had it in the past).
This is equivalent to a talent that replaces Mutilate with a charge-based ability, or one that replaces Chaos Strike with a charge-based ability. It just doesnât work, because thereâs inevitably a point where the generation rate exceeds your now metered ability to spend it and thus is straight wasted.
If you want to replace something in the rotation, itâd almost certainly have to be Cobra Shot, similar to how Sidewinders replaces Arcane Shot for MM during Legion, how Boulderfist replaced Rockbiter, and how Fracture replaces Shear. And even then, it still shouldnât be a pet ability, because thatâs too central.
For example:
Provides a little more variance without it having much rotational effect, helps emphasize the pet without really depending on it, shakes up the rotation by making the generator a charge-based ability, and plays directly into the âmunition expertâ theme, rather than trying to crib BMâs pet master theme.
Thinking of redesigning a few things in the concept. First off:
The Mastery-effectâŚ
[Mastery Bonus: Toxicology] - Increases all non-physical damage dealt by X%, based on Mastery.
Like you said, itâs boring, but itâs effective. If you/anyone has a suggestion for what else to add to make it more interesting in terms of gameplay, feel free to do so.
SoâŚgiving RSV a pet-based attack, with some additional gameplay to it, which doesnât actually take after anything found within the current BM spec, is not okay. But making the spender-ability for BM the exact same as what it is for MM, is okay?
Yep
âŚto a degreeâŚ
Making abilities work slightly different for different specs does make sense, depending on how itâs done. But how does it make sense for an ability to be instant cast for one spec but have a cast time for another spec?
One that is arguably irrelevant considering that, design-wise, neither of the other specs once you actually pick them have any intention to make use of Corruption. The only reason itâs there to use is because of âClass Fantasyâ. Corruption is not a spec-based ability for any Warlock-spec, apart from Aff.
The design of my proposed version of Dire Frenzy does not in any way amp up my pet, just the ability itself.
âRotational feelâ is ofc not irrelevant, but itâs not all that matters. Thereâs much more to it than that.
Based on?
When was that ever a goal?
A LOT of players who have voiced their interest in RSV over the years, have also mentioned how they would like the option to play it without a pet. This is the reason I wanted to include Lone Wolf as said option.
Debatable.
AnywayâŚwhat if(instead of Dire Frenzy)âŚ
[Fusion Shot] - (Replaces Cobra Shot) - 1.5s cast time(castable while moving) - 2 charges - 6 sec recharge time
Fire a charged shot into the target, dealing Physical damage, triggering a delayed fusion which causes your next ability that deals periodic damage to also deal instant damage equal to 40% of itâs total duration.
Depending on which periodic effect that is triggered, the target will take additional damage from that source for the next 12 sec. Stacking up to 2 times.
Generates 25 Focus.
Again, numbers are ofc subject to change butâŚas a concept of designâŚ
Thoughts?
(This ofc requires some other effects/talents to be reworked as well)
Only other thing I could think of would be to lean into the damage-over-time aspect:
Volatile Toxins (Mastery) Passive
Whenever you deal damage with a periodic damage effect, thereâs a 30% chance for the target to suffer deal X% Nature damage. You gain 1 focus whenever this occurs.
It scales in AoE (Serpent Sting), it really emphasizes the DoT/magic damage piece, it sticks with the ânaturalistâ theme since itâs damage from toxins, and presuming itâs tuned reasonable well, it very solidly embeds haste/mastery as the RSV priority stats. Also, notably Explosive Shot would count as a âperiodic damage effectâ for the purposes of this mastery.
In fact, to really play into that, add a talent or passive where Arcane Shot and Multi-Shot decrease the cooldown on Black Arrow by 0.5s or 1.0s or something. That would mean that increased focus regen = more Black Arrow uptime = more mastery procs.
Yes, for one very specific reason: Arcane Shot is baseline. Itâs one of only two damage abilities that are available to all 3 hunter specs. In fact, by that argument, this RSV concept should be using Steady Shot rather then Cobra Shot, though that may make the two a bit too similar.
I admit itâs a fine line, however. Iâm not fundamentally opposed to specs having thematic replacements for base abilities. Inferno Blast replacing Fire Blast, Primal Strike upgrading into Stormstrike, the subtle differences between the 3 mage spec shields, invis upgrading into greater invis for Arcane, etc. This might be one of those cases.
And if Iâm being honest, part of why I wanted Arcane Shot to stay for BM is because Cobra Shot replaces Steady Shot. Right now, it replaces a casted filler with an instacast spender that has a nearly identical rotational role to Arcane Shot, and the devs even had to take steps in the SL beta to make it clear that BM is supposed to use Cobra rather than Arcane. If theyâd simply used Arcane as their spender to start with, then Cobra could have retained itâs prior Steady-Shot-like mechanic and just been a spammable (but not focus-generating) filler for BM downtime. However, that would work equally well with Cobra Shot being an Arcane Shot replacement, and Steady Shot, or an analog, being the casted filler.
So I guess the question then becomes, how similar can the specs be permitted to be, and whether those baseline abilities should mean something or not. Blizzard make a big huff of returning âclass-wideâ abilities in SL, to try to restore the theme of being a hunter or warrior or mage, regardless of spec. But honestly, that entire push was really nothing but a PR piece, a waste of development time.
Very very few of those new âclass-wideâ abilities are actually used by multiple specs. Thinking through the classes, the only abilities newly baseline in SL that are used and have notable rotational impact across spec lines are Crusader Strike, Mind Blast, and Mind Sear. There are a few others that are used, but donât really have a noticeable impact (ex. Raise Dead for Frost/Blood, but itâs really just a 2-minute-CD fire-and-forget DoT; Immolation Aura for Havoc was already effectively default in BfA) or were just cosmetic swaps (Blackout Strike for Blackout Kick for BrM, Rupture for Nightblade for Sub).
And then a bunch of them are just straight up useless, like Arcane Shot and Steady Shot. Slam is baseline, but only Arms is intended to use it. Execute is now available to prot, but is really only use if they arenât actively tanking or if theyâre Venthyr (because it can replace Ignore Pain due to the damage absorption). SotR is niche for Holy and completely useless for Ret, just like Shield Block and Shield Slam for DPS warriors. Primal Strike and Flametongue are a complete waste of space for Resto and Elemental.
So where should hunters fall within that? Should Arcane Shot and/or Steady Shot be a central ability which our specs rally around, similar to Crusader Strike and Judgement for paladins? Or should they remain MM-abilities-that-are-baseline-for-no-rational-reason?
/shrug
The more similar the specs, the more itâd feed the old (though heavily false) mantra that the specs were the same to start with, but the more different they are, the more it continues to drive a wedge between the specs and makes us really question why we even have these abilities baseline.
Again, Corruption. Already works that way.
By the same argument, though, how does it make sense for an ability to be a spender nuke for one spec and a generator for another? Kill Command already works that way, as does Execute. Like a cast time, those fundamentally alter the abilityâs feel and rotational role, and yet that seems to be just fine.
âŚThatâs what I was referring to? It causes the pet to deal damage, not the hunter, and then if re-used, doubles the petâs damage for a period as well. Iâm not sure what definition of âampâ youâre using, but doubling the petâs damage seems like it obviously qualifies.
When your spammable spender is literally âmakes my pet deal damage and buffs itâ, ya, the pet is incredibly central. Honestly, not even BM or Unholy are as pet focused as that would be.
/shrug, canât please everyone. Do you want it to have more pet importance than MM, or not? If so, Lone Wolf simply wonât work, because it by definition deletes the pet from relevance, unless itâs tuned to be useless, in which case why even have it? Itâs not actually an option at that point.
If you want SV to have more pet to it than MM, no Lone Wolf. If you want Lone Wolf, you have to discard the âmore pet focusâ part. Frankly, I think this concept, without your Barbed Shot clone and also without Lone Wolf, is just fine on the pet important front.
The second effect is a bit odd. Feels like it should just be rolled into the first part. But otherwise seems relatively fine. Could also just be:
[Toxic Shot] (Replaces Cobra Shot, 6s CD, 2 charges, etc) - Fires a shot into the target, dealing X Nature damage and causing all of your damage over time effects to instantly deal 50% of their normal damage.
Notably, this would work with the above proposed DoT-focused mastery.
I never really got a chance to play that spec as Iâd just joined WOW at the very tail end of WoD. I wish there was a way to play test it now, after having a few expansions of experience. I really hope they do bring back a ranged survival, even if itâs by creating a 4th spec and calling it Ranger or something.
Have made certain changes based on some things mentioned above.
Honestly, Iâm not entirely opposed to this(there are so many fun things that can be done to further the theme/fantasy of the playstyle of RSV). Just thatâŚIâm not sure where to put it^^
There are quite a few passive effects already and Iâm also hesitant to remove an existing talent for something like this. Perhaps it could be enough to add it in as a secondary effect to/part of the talent [Predator](Still unsure about that name as well ).
True, but something like Lone Wolf is arguably an easy way to please quite a few players who have little to no interest in playing with pets, but rather want to focus solely on the ranged aspects of the class(+ traps or other).
And honestly, Iâd much rather keep it as an option because of that, especially as it is already a part of the class.
Iâve changed the wording in the âtooltipâ of that talent(seen in the OP). Also with a slight change to the design.
Sure, and thatâs fine. My point was, you canât keep Lone Wolf and also try to make the pet matter more for the spec. Itâs one or the other, the two are mutually exclusive.
Just felt odd to deal a percentage of damage, but then also buff damage from the same source. Why not just do a higher percentage of damage in the first place?
That depends on how you decide to look at it. The parts where you could focus more on the pet were entirely optional(just like Lone Wolf itself). Pick them or donât.
But anyway, I agree with what you said about the limitations it had regarding Focus-management. So I removed it/them.
Because of the periodic effect which is applied at the same time. This design allows you to pick which ability you want to tie into the eruption, and the damage dealt is determined based on the strength of said ability, how much damage it deals in total. Both upfront and over time.
And it still allows for the freedom of you choosing when to use it, in case you need Focus earlier than expected, you can then follow it up with what might not be the optimal choice of a periodic damage-effect, but still has a sizeable benefit.
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