The reason I even propose this nerf is because of how much those 1-3 seconds are of clock time against current damage.
I just wish sombra could get ult charge. It’s so damn hard to gain ult charge with her since it’s 3 shields. Sombra is a great counter to this actually
I honestly love this more than goats and bunker. It’s so satisfying with all the details.
Oh right, another round of pros going “OW isn’t fun anymore”. Just like “OW is dead” for forums.
And like, revert what? All these balance changes? You do realise it takes >1,5 year for one revert on one hero, and you want to revert this many changes? If I remember correctly, devs stated that the big balance patch that came with 2-2-2 took them a year. Even for some easy-to-implement (at least on paper) changes like decreasing Hack time from 6 to 5 seconds. It’s impossible, and “revert balance to pre-goats” posts will be no different from “bring back mass res” posts.
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Yeah, with GOATS literally impossible I am disappointed Blizzard hasn’t already given Lucio his team speed back. But that’s Blizzard for you, they never react to
things quickly. It’ll probably be a good half a year before we see any real improvement.
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Well they nerfed the tanks and armor, and buffed the DPS to crazy power creep levels because they couldn’t nerf the one shot heroes without killing them, so now barriers are big because you can’t get as much value out of tanks otherwise.
It’s pretty sad, I can’t play either of my mains sombra or hammond.
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I really like this meta tbh.
its definitely because im a sym player.
but yeah I agree.
the balance patch should be reverted because some heroes were nerfed for goats like lucio and its not even a thing anymore.
some heroes are left with unnecessary nerfs.
Lucio could at least be reverted a bit. I don’t even notice his speed boost anymore even WHEN it’s amp’d up.
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The goats nerfs need reverting, especially for the tanks. There’s literally no reason for the tanks to continue in this heavily nerfed state, goats is done for. C’mon, blizz.
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Except, besides D.Va who really needs buffs in the tank category? They are all still really strong. MAYBE Zarya needs a bit more HP on her bubble? idk.
The first yell will probably be “Reinhardt!” but he’s only fallen out of favor because Sigma is ridiculous as a shield tank right now, AND the Lucio speed nerf hurt him one of the worst. Not a problem really with his kit.
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The only thing I see causing this visual cluster problem are Symmetra’s ultimate walls. The rest of the time when they are not active, the game’s visual readability is perfectly fine.
If they want to make double shields not as prevalent, then they need to revert lucio’s speed boost and probably some of the dps powercreep changes that were made to specifically counter a now nonexistant goats meta, so that dive and ground pushes can reach the targets behind the shields more easily.
Last night in OWL, Lucio was played a lot. I think reverting his speed boost would not have the desired effect. At the most it would make the double shield go from orisa/sigma to rein/sigma.
My dream patch would be snipers toned down, barriers toned down, doomfist shields toned down. Reaper’s lifesteal toned down.
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I just want the genji meta to come back to be completely honest, like everyone that says just focus doomfist when you see him it was the same for genji back then too.
I agree its not but it isn’t an ignorant comment because physiologically people will always see the current meta as the worst unless they really think about it. I personally think this meta is better then goats if i really remember how goats was however people tend to look back on metas with nostalgia regardless of wether they enjoyed it or not.
Hey there,
Balance changes take time and there will of course be more to come. We’ve just barely entered into 2-2-2 role queue and released a new hero at the same time. It’s important to collect statistics/data, as well as feedback to make informed decisions.
Reverting all balance changes over the last year is unlikely to happen. Any hero change could potentially affect a meta to some degree, but not all changes are directly targeted at the current meta, if that makes sense.
For some transparency, we’ve known for awhile that we would be moving to a 2-2-2 format (it required a long time to implement) and not all changes over the last year were directly targeted at affecting the 3-3 GOATS meta (eg. Soldier, McCree, Junkrat buffs).
The goal of the changes that actually were aimed at GOATS was not to kill it entirely but to weaken it enough, without destroying the individual heroes, that other new comps could arise to compete with it. Though it took a long time, with the results of stage 3 I consider that at least somewhat successful. Even if solutions are hypothetically available, any meta is ultimately dictated by the players.
Aside from meta considerations, it’s important to prioritize individual hero balance which is why we’re tuning Zarya and Symmetra damage output. The recent beam bug fix was much more potent than expected, with those heroes on average seeing a 20-40% increase in damage. Their original damage values were tuned without knowledge of this bug.
Thanks for your feedback!
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So could you elaborate on the Sombra nerfs? Because they didnt look like they took the 2-2-2 changes into account but were exclusively looking at the goats meta in OWL at the time.
Jeff said on Seagulls stream that Sombra was one of the strongest dps in pro play and grandmasters, but she was that since she was the best option against goats, which of course cant be played anymore.
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Have you guys looked at doomfist… Please balance him. His 35 shields and one shot potential is too strong in 2-2-2. He gets away too much too
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You have an impossible job if you want to satisfy everyone, you probably already know this.
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How many times I’ve tried to get this point across on here…but it’s like talking to a brick wall
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Hey, two Dev replies in one day 
Thank you for shedding light on stuff like this. Any amount of communication is greatly appreciated!
Though, that being said, is it possible heroes like Lucio will potentially get a revert?
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