Whose bright idea was to lump all these permissions under a single check box?
> New Permissions UI: https://i.imgur.com/v7WlrcH.png
> Old Permissions UI: https://i.imgur.com/Fi55wGh.png
Now to give someone access to officer chat, or give them the ability to set their own public note, I have to give them the ability to delete people's messages, calendar events, notes, gmotd, kick people from voice chat, etc.
Thanks for taking more control away from the players....in favor for watered down solutions.
[Edit] For those not aware - you were previously able to control all these things individually, per rank. Feel free to vote on the question by giving it a like for Thursday's Q&A here:
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20765747093#post-19
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Seriously, what in the unholy hell is that?
Who on Earth thought this was a good idea?
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I guess they figure an officer should be someone you trust with these sorts of things.
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What the actual f?! That's such bs.
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07/17/2018 11:41 AMPosted by
Xiata
I guess they figure an officer should be someone you trust with these sorts of things.
And a lot of us used officer chat for our RP chat, not for officers. Or we'd have different levels of officers.
Why the hell would they take away options??
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07/17/2018 11:41 AMPosted by
Xiata
I guess they figure an officer should be someone you trust with these sorts of things.
Trust is fine, but why would all the officers need to be able to edit guild info or change the MOTD. Some of these things are ADMIN things not officer things. Either way... why is it up to them? What's wrong with giving Guild Leaders the flexibility to do things as they want? Who actually asked for this?
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07/17/2018 11:41 AMPosted by
Xiata
I guess they figure an officer should be someone you trust with these sorts of things.
Do we know what happens when we assume?
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...Oh, I don't like this at all for so, so many reasons. This is a horrible change.
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WTF WHY!?
This is a TERRIBLE change!
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One that none of us even knew about. Wtf. No one asked for this. I want my separate permissions back, Blizzard.
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Feel free to upvote / "like" my Q&A question on the topic - maybe we can get some attention come Thursday's Dev Q&A on twitch:
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20765747093#post-19
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07/17/2018 11:44 AMPosted by
Loendor
07/17/2018 11:41 AMPosted by
Xiata
I guess they figure an officer should be someone you trust with these sorts of things.
Trust is fine, but why would all the officers need to be able to edit guild info or change the MOTD. Some of these things are ADMIN things not officer things. Either way... why is it up to them? What's wrong with giving Guild Leaders the flexibility to do things as they want? Who actually asked for this?
I used to be an officer, and MOTD was allowed because if raid lead would be late or something he would call me and I would do the MOTD to say "Raid starting 1 hour late tonight" or something. Message of the day doesn't seem like a huge deal. Any trusted officer should know when to change it, and when not to. Like the officers I knew used to only change it when we were told to.
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07/17/2018 11:50 AMPosted by
Osiris
Feel free to upvote / "like" my Q&A question on the topic - maybe we can get some attention come Thursday's Dev Q&A on twitch:
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20765747093#post-19
Upvoted and quoted, because I'd ask the same.
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This is ridiculous. Let people run their guilds how they want.
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07/17/2018 11:51 AMPosted by
Xiata
07/17/2018 11:44 AMPosted by
Loendor
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Trust is fine, but why would all the officers need to be able to edit guild info or change the MOTD. Some of these things are ADMIN things not officer things. Either way... why is it up to them? What's wrong with giving Guild Leaders the flexibility to do things as they want? Who actually asked for this?
I used to be an officer, and MOTD was allowed because if raid lead would be late or something he would call me and I would do the MOTD to say "Raid starting 1 hour late tonight" or something. Message of the day doesn't seem like a huge deal. Any trusted officer should know when to change it, and when not to. Like the officers I knew used to only change it when we were told to.
And some of us had different officer levels where certain things were for admin purposes and certain officer ranks couldn't use those.
Not to mention the numerous RP guilds who used officer chat as their RP chat in order to leave guild chat as their out of character chat.
It doesn't matter what your opinion is on who should get what. No one asked for options to be consolidated and it's getting stupidly out of hand that they keep doing crap like this WITHOUT ANY GOOD REASON. Because there is absolutely no good reason out there for it.
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07/17/2018 11:51 AMPosted by
Xiata
07/17/2018 11:44 AMPosted by
Loendor
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Trust is fine, but why would all the officers need to be able to edit guild info or change the MOTD. Some of these things are ADMIN things not officer things. Either way... why is it up to them? What's wrong with giving Guild Leaders the flexibility to do things as they want? Who actually asked for this?
I used to be an officer, and MOTD was allowed because if raid lead would be late or something he would call me and I would do the MOTD to say "Raid starting 1 hour late tonight" or something. Message of the day doesn't seem like a huge deal. Any trusted officer should know when to change it, and when not to. Like the officers I knew used to only change it when we were told to.
I'm sure everyone "used" to be an officer. Your example is just one, of an almost unlimited amount of possible scenarios that can actually happen. What might not seem like a "huge" deal to you might be a large deal to many other guilds.
What I don't understand is the removal of our ability choose these permissions. If you were able to grant your officers this permission with the old system, why do you need them all grouped up with this new system? Why take the flexibility away? Why do we continuously dumb down this game and it's UI to the point where even those you are making it simpler for question your intentions.
The worst part about this is the fact that it's almost certainly irreversible and if they do revert this, we'll have to completely redo all our rank permissions again.
I just question whether or not anyone actually asked for this or if this is just another QoL changes that you assumed we all wanted?
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They keep doing crap like this WITHOUT ANY GOOD REASON. Because there is absolutely no good reason out there for it.
Sadly - if we ever get a response, it will be something along the lines of:
"With the development of Communities we wanted to streamline the permissions across the two so there is continuity between Guilds and Communities."In my opinion, they did this bone-headed thing because coding two different rule sets for guilds and communities was too much to handle. They are likely built on the same technology now, which doesn't support such individualized permissions.
Communities have: Owner / Leader --> Moderator --> Member
Guilds now effectively have: Guild Master / Leader --> Officer --> Member
I'm not trying to @!*# on you blizzard, but it's so incredibly frustrating as a player to constantly have control taken out of our hands. This guild UI was talked about extensively during Alpha as well.
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07/17/2018 11:50 AMPosted by
Osiris
Feel free to upvote / "like" my Q&A question on the topic - maybe we can get some attention come Thursday's Dev Q&A on twitch:
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20765747093#post-19
>Blizzard Entertainment
>Listening to Community
lmao.
But I upvoted you anyway.
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I mean, why even have as many ranks as we do if all of this stuff is just going to be consolidated so that I can't have different ranks with actual permissions to give them separately?
Or is that next on the list: consolidate guild ranks to "initiate, member, officer, guild master" and don't let us change the names either?
JFC Blizzard.
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