One shots are in every game and are way more unfair

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So started your default assumption is, that significantly nerfing Widow and Hanzo, would instantly lose 100% of the Widow/Hanzo playerbase. Because “refreshing math”.

And then ignore more obvious realities about that, 7%

  • Less than half the Widow and Hanzo players would care and just swap, 3.5%
  • Less than half of that would get overly upset about it, 1.8%
  • Less than half of that would quit 0.9%

So I guess you call it 0.9%, if you like.

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don’t forget spending more time in the game gives you more options than a new player by a large margin. much more than ows few heroes behind the current bp.

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Yeah do they also have laser pointers as a one shot weapon? and on top completely stable?

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Well, it’s not like they’ve been making the smartest decisions these past few years.

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Blah blah blah. Heard this before - your imaginary numbers of the small amount of snipers quitting doesn’t matter.

If people really didn’t play widow, she wouldn’t get as many skins as she does. Just give it up.

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If the concern is how many skins they get, then balance Hanzo and Widow around Bronze 5 to Gold 1 ELO. Since that’s the current center of the population bell curve?

Don’t want to do that? Ah, then you never actually cared about the talking point you just used.

Either those skin sales don’t matter that much, or they do and the devs should be maximizing that with Balance.

Realistically, the skin purchases by a subsection of 7% of the player base, can’t be a large a percentage of total skin sales. Because a small fraction of a small number, is a small number. Because that’s how math works.

Why are you acting like basic algebra is some mystical unknowable thing?

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Doesnt it look like the Widow player diff your entire team? And her team keeping her alive meant your team cant diff them.

Sounds like Widow’s team should win.

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108

Pretty sure there are a lot of players will jump at any given chances to play Widow, Hanzo. Their difficulty are just too high to actually “main” or “one trick” so most just settle to play other Hitscans.

I dont think there is a clear cut of ‘sniper mains vs us’. There will always be a million shades in between.

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Sniping is boring to most people. The only reason a lot of people play widow is because the other team went widow, and given how few counters she has, you’re throwing if one of your dps doesn’t countersnipe.

Counters most games have to balance snipers just don’t exist in OW

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I’m sure sniping is boring to your moba people.

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At my elo the only real counters to snipers is another sniper. That’s why it’s boring. Sniper counters that are part of any normal FPS don’t exist in OW

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At your elo you should accept that skill trumps counter and if aim is the answer, then stop ignoring it and start treating the game like a fps

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I’d argue the issue isn’t whether or not counterplay is possible.

The problem is that the counterplay is narrow, frustrating and boring.

And that unlike other FPS games, there’s no broadly available mechanic to avoid that. Such as

  • Near instant kill assault rifles (Counterstrike CoD)
  • Players are downed at first, instead of being killed, and any teammate can rez them (Apex)
  • The Sniper is the lowest health character in the game, with no escape options, and minimal close range defenses outside of melee. (TF2)
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Then give the kind of counterplay against snipers that all other FPS games give, or nerf snipers.

I’d be fine with snipers if OW added smoke, weapon sway, made it expensive to get one shot weapons, gave all players in game the chance to countersnipe, etc. That OW isn’t designed like other FPS games is the entire point here

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Yeah that’s why Ana is the most played hero. And why widow is always relevant. And we know nobody plays Ashe or hanzo. Snipers are very very popular at least in the fps world they’re one of the most popular guns out there.

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Ana is the most popular because she has had the most utility of all supports for years.

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why do you keep arguing with a pharah main, they have been campaigning bad changes to fps game for a year now.

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Sure, and take away OW counter play to Widow too, and see how long you can survive in an actual fps against crack players.

OW is unlike other fps because OW hands out a lot of participation trophies to help you climb even without good aim. But at the highest skill level it s just B.S. GM Widows have just as much game sense and team skill as well as superior aim on top of it. Just accept the L and move on, or move down.

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More like I’ve suggested a large a fraction of the changes and features you take for granted.

More like "They should put in hero mastery challenges that with a 3d representation of what that would look like

Or that Kiriko should use a Kunai, in a clip with dual wielding. Suggesting it should be “Basically Genji but with Kunais”. Then later suggesting that they can make Supports put out damage that high ELO can respect, by giving them a higher headshot modifier.
. And the game in question has a Fox girl, that weirdly summons a fox spirit, wears a red/white shinto priestess outfit, and can use kunais and ofuda paper charms as projectiles.

Or how about an ability that grants lifesteal to other teammates.. Like what Mauga has.

Or how about JunkerQueen, having mechanics based on this hero that has a AOE Shout, Swings a Guitar around for melee, and can throw their melee out at an enemy and it can hit on approach and return, and it applies a status effect.

Or with Sojourn, how about the idea of a deployable heal station, to offload the Support’s healing responsibilities so they can focus on damage. Or just merely guessing she’s going to have a charge beam rifle. Which I specifically think will look like this.

Or how about a “Window” you shoot through that changes the damage properties of the attacks shot through it?

Or even weirdly specific stuff like Junkrat getting an victory pose where he drinks a green boba drink.

And how they could have easily avoided GOATs without RoleQueue…

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Hi, there’s this thing called life. It’s not far. One shots exist.

This is why people don’t do this stuff in reality, except out of greed when it’s other people’s families getting killed.

Why would you play sniper without one shot? There’d just be no point.

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