[🍰] Halfbaked DoubleBarrier idea

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[Brawler Role] DPS Queue Fix

Here’s how you fix queue times. Have the matchmaker try to find a game where both teams have: 1 BarrierTank + 1 OffTank + -2DPS-2HEAL If it the matchmaker can’t find enough BarrierTanks, instead both teams have: 2 OffTanks + -2DPS-2HEAL Give people the option of which composition they would like to play, but make queuing for both compositions be the default. Remove Hero Pools for Competitive, unless your want to keep it around strictly for DPS bans. Reclassify OffTanks as th…

Tank balance is easy to fix

Summary Stronger Barriers on Orisa and Sigma Weaker Fortify and KineticGrasp A lot less CC on Halt and Accretion Discord goes through Barriers Devs could easily make it so that Sigma and Orisa both feel like MainTanks again. While still providing a counterable weakness at close range. Main idea is to scale up the barrier HP, but weaken the CC, and SelfPeel these two Tanks have. Which makes them a lot more vulnerable to Dive comps and speedboosted Rein comps. Also by removing the stun on …

[🍰] Halfbaked DoubleBarrier idea

Just occurred to me how DoubleBarrier would be a lot less useful against SingleBarrier if Orisa and Sigma primary attacks reflected off of barriers at random angles.

Shooting DoubleBarrier = UltCharge

Here’s an idea, in the long running series of “what to do about barriers”. Tank Rule Change If two enemy players are using Sigma, Orisa, Reinhardt or Winston. Then 50% of the damage dealt to the enemy barrier counts gives Ultimate charge. Would be kinda subtle, and rare on ladder below Diamond. But high tier play is ALL about ultimate charge economy. And a penalty this strong would keep DoubleBarrier in check. Even if we buffed up DoubleBarrier to be stronger than it was in September. C…

Kierkegaard, had a good Tank idea

Context: DPS Queue Times are bad. More Tank players is the answer. That said, as someone who has been trying to fix this stuff for… too long. This is a really simple an elegant approach to this problem. I really like it. Kudos Kierkegaard. Devs should really give this a try on Experimental Card: Orisa Projected Barrier Increased to 900HP, up from 600HP. Cooldown reduced to 8 seconds. Sigma Experimental Barrier Decreased to 600HP, down from 900HP No cooldown delay when deploying and…

Barrier Tanks, DPS players would use

The main problem the game is facing is bad DPS Queue times. Devs could fix Queue Times by making BarrierTanks more desirable to DPS players. Do this by making it so there’s 3 options for SoloBarrierTanks, especially Orisa and Sigma, that get to shoot and barrier at the same time. Reinhardt Rocket Hammer Damage increased to 90, up from 75. Sigma Hyper-Spheres Direct Hit damage increased to 65, up from 55. Experimental Barrier Increased to 1300HP, up from 900HP. Regeneration rate to …

Buff Barriers, counter at close range

Overwatch Tank meta is kinda stuck. Over 90% of the time, it’s Rein or Lose. Which isn’t horrible, but it’s getting kinda bland. So I’ve been thinking of a variety of different ways to fix this, but a lot of them involve changing gameplay balance midgame. Realizing that, I’m thinking back to one concept that doesn’t change midgame balance. Conceptually, the real problem with Orisa/Sigma was a lack of critical weakness. Here was the real problem with Orisa/Sigma: At medium range, it’s nea…

BarrierTank variety would be good

Right now we’re are a point where at nearly all levels of skill there’s pretty much only 1 true solo-BarrierTank in the game. Reinhardt. Which isn’t too bad, considering he takes a lot less coordination than Dive, and Orisa comps are relatively boring. But variety is the spice of life. And good game design is all about creating worthwhile choices that are simultaneously unique and worthwhile. So wouldn’t it be nice if every BarrierTank was good as a Solo-BarrierTank? (Which opens up a whol…

[✅] Reflecting Orisa fixes 2x Barrier?

I think, too much projectiles could make game crash and a lot of “hits” on players who even doesn’t know where they got shot. Like old Hanzo Scatter arrow. It’s fun if you think about, but not fun for the people who dies from them. 2 Orisa just ricocheting their attacks on walls and shields, also sigmas who actualy can do some sort of it. Could generate a “projectile zone” who could make stand by between those orisas really bad. 2 barriers are fine(maybe a little less regen - add 10% less regen…

[✅] Basic Rehaul of the Tank Role

Dva and whiaton can work together because dva got buffed and genji’s really meta so dive is t a throw pick Idk y he reverted the shield nerfs but all else was good

[✅] No More UltCharge Feeding from Poke Damage

I’ll lengthen the title. The first part gets the message across well enough. Which is usually trimmed on mobile.

[✅] Abbreviated Tank Changes

Here are the specific changes with justification below: Basic goals are to make it so: SingleBarrier is preferred over DoubleBarrier. Tanks are more desirable to play, to fix Queue Times Especially to DPS players who make up the majority of the player population. DoubleOffTank is less of a “Throw Comp”. The general approach to all that is: Nerf AnchorTank self-defenses at close range Buff AnchorTank projectile speed (I.e. Useless at close range) Buff AnchorTank barriers to Rein tier (…

[✅ ShieldHP & Armor = 50% UltCharge?

But it just occured to me they could fix a lot of the Ult charge feeding issues with Tanks by making it so that Armor and ShieldHealth feeds 50% or maybe even 0% Ultimate charge. Would take some big chunks out of the Ultcharge that Tanks feed. Would also have some fringe benefits for less popular heroes like Bastion, Torbjorn, Symmetra. Doesn’t really help Roadhog, which is the biggest issue with Ult charge feeding. But maybe they just replace the first 300hp of his healthbar with darkbluehp…

[✅] If Barriers didn't block Earthshatter?

Half serious on this one, but it’s an interesting concept. Since it would probably have the desired result of Encouraging SingleBarrier Discouraging DoubleBarrier DoubleOffTank isn’t a throw comp. Win win win, right? EarthShatter, unable to be blocked by barriers. Except Zarya and Winston. Since it goes underneath the barriers. Zarya, bubble very briefly does the “MultiTarget” Zarya bubble from 1-3-2, for like 0.1sec for the secondary bubble targets. * Zarya bubble cleanses EarthShatte…

[✅] One way to fix DoubleBarrier

Reinhardt 200 armor, 200 shieldhealth, 100 health Orisa 200 armor, 200shieldhealth Barrier cooldown reduced to 7sec, down from 10sec Sombra When hacking an enemy Orisa, airborne barrier-projectiles are cancelled Mei Moved to the Tank Role 10sec Icewall cooldown, down from 13 Makes these Tanks a bit less reliant on Healers But makes it an extreme Sombra EMP threat to have 2 AnchorTanks on the same team. How about we add these too: Symmetra: Gains 40% lifesteal when damaging enem…

[✅] Earthshatter causes DoubleBarrier?

I was thinking a bit in another thread, and back to an old meme I made. Orisa, individually, isn’t that good at blocking Earthshatter. Which leads to either Rein meta, or multiple barriers. Thoughts? [image] Guess I was wrong, Sigma is fine for that, I probably need to play Sigma more.

[✅] Simplified AnchorTank Buff/Nerfs

So you got two issues with Tanks: DoubleBarrier is too strong at Medium/Long range. So it needs Close Range vulnerability/counter. Tanks aren’t popular enough, and especially the game needs to encourage more SingleBarrier Tank compositions, to fix queue times. Had a bunch of versions of this idea, but here’s a simplified version: Sigma Barrier = 1000HP Primary Fire = 20% Faster Projectile Speed Kinetic Grasp = No TempHP, repairs Barrier Instead Accretion = No Stun, Does a Boop instead …

[ Orisa] Active playstyle change idea

Was having a discussion last night, and one part was how bland Orisa gameplay is. So here’s a design idea I came up with, that makes Orisa feel like she’s got a lot more active choices to make, besides her usual gameplay loop of: Stand in one place Place barrier Hold Primary Fire down constantly Use halt to combo something Fortify when in danger Repeat Orisa Fortify : Slightly larger hurtbox, 4sec duration, 20% damage resistance, 20% movement speed increase, immune to CC effects, immune t…

Modified 1-3-2 that can be 1-1-2-2

[image] [image] https://i.imgur.com/87ALvyX.png One approach to solving Queue Times is a modified 1-3-2. RoleQueue changed to 1BarrierTank, 3Damage, 2Healer Strong buffs to BarrierTanks All offtanks moved to a subclass of Damage, called Bruiser Mei moved to Bruiser subclass Limit 1 Bruiser per team First Damage player to pick Bruiser prevents the other 2 Damage players from picking Bruiser Bruiser pl…

[✅] Minimalist DoubleBarrier fixes

I’ve come up with a lot of ideas off how to unseat DoubleBarrier from power, without sabotaging SingleBarrier. In short, cutting through two barriers at medium or long range is always gonna suck. So the counter to DoubleBarrier needs to be close range. And here’s some minimalist changes how to get there: Armor - Blocks 20% of damage. Counts towards the 50% damage resistance cap. Mei - Moved to Tank Role. Icewall cooldown reduced back to 10sec. Yeah that’s all of it. You can stop readin…

[✅] Expanded DoubleBarrier fixes

Here’s what I got so far for my current version of redesigning Tanks. Overall goal is to make it so that DoubleBarrier is strongly countered at close range by Dive/Rush comps. While allowing medium/low tiers to enjoy a variety of SingleBarrier tanks. Also there are some “firepower” buffs in there on Orisa/Sigma that don’t really do anything at close range or against barriers, but I wanted to make it so that BarrierTank as a subrole is more desirable to play. Since queue time could be a lot b…

[✅ Buffing Orisa/Sigma firepower, but not

So a couple of these design idea’s I’ve been throwing around some ideas on redesigning Orisa/Sigma. Generally it goes: More vulnerable at close range More Barrier More Firepower (Because this would directly make BarrierTanks more popular) That said, here’s an idea to: Buff the effective firepower of Orisa/Sigma at medium range But not buff the effective firepower of Orisa/Sigma at close range Orisa: Primary Fire = 20% increased projectile speed. Sigma: Primary Fire = 20% increas…

[✅ Today's Tank Balance ideas

Here’s today’s slimmed down version of Tank changes I got in mind. Would throw a serious monkeywrench into the close range defenses of DoubleBarrier. Orisa Fortify: Reduced to a 2sec duration. Fortify: Can bodyblock Earthshatter. Halt: Does not Slow enemies Barrier: 900hp, on an 8sec cooldown Primary Fire: Projectile speed increased 20%. Sigma Accretion: Does not stun at close range. Kinetic Grasp: Recharges his barrier instead of granting temporary health. Barrier: Increased to…

Today's Tank Patch idea

Been trying to simplify some of my Tank ideas into something “less controversial”. Overall goal was to make it so Dive is the counter to DoubleBarrier SingleBarrier Orisa is more viable SingleBarrier Sigma is more viable Any suggestions on what I should add or remove?

Fixing BarrierTanks and OffTanks

[image] Summary: For Sigma, Orisa, and optionally Reinhardt. Higher BarrierHP = MainTank Viability More Firepower = The Fun Lower HP = Counter/Tradeoff Orisa Barrier - Health at 900, cooldown at 8 seconds Fusion Driver (Primary) - Damage increased to 13, from 11, 14% more Health reduced to 150HP and 200Armor Fortify - Reduced to 20% damage resistance Sigma Barrier - Health increased to 1300 Hyperspheres - Damage increased to 65, up from 55…

Can BarrierTanks more popular?

Looking at things more generally, regardless what solution method devs end up going with. Can BarrierTanks more popular, in a way that doesn’t involve making them more powerful? Would it matter if Tanks were more influential in the outcome of matches? And if it did matter, why specifically? Since it looks like devs are going to be doing “something” soonish to BarrierTanks. [image]

1x BarrierTank Role Queue design

Summary: Does not block DoubleOffTank. Blocks DoubleBarrier. Buff all BarrierTanks to Reinhardt tier. Get Mei out of the OWL meta. Optional “Dibs Queue” for BarrierTanks. [image] [image] Details: Tanks split into BarrierTank subrole and BruiserTank subrole 1 BarrierTank maximum per team, 0 minimum per team 2 BruiserTank maximum per team Optional “Dibs Queue” for BarrierTank Can switch freely betwe…

OffTank Sigma, MainTank Orisa

Was going with the theme of “OffTank Sigma, MainTank Orisa”. Thought I’d go with cranking up the damage and peel on Sigma. While cranking up Orisa barrier, but weakening her selfpeel. Sigma Experimental Barrier Barrier Health reduced to 450hp, down from 900hp Cooldown reduced to 0.1sec Hyperspheres DirectHit Damage increased to 65, up from 55. Self damage reduced to almost nothing Accretion Cooldown reduced to 8 seconds, down from 10 Self damage reduced to almost nothing Kinetic Gra…

Need more Barrier Tank players?

If fixing DPS queue times hinges on making more people wanting to play BarrierTank (instead of DPS or DoubleOffTank). Then how about devs put in some changes that those sorts of players would respond to: Orisa 18% more damage on primary attacks. 900 barrier, on 8sec cooldown. Fortify changed to offer these benefits: 10% damage resistance Not affected by enemy Crowd Control No additional damage taken from enemy headshots. Blocks enemy attacks/ultimates from passing through Sigma 18% mo…

Mei, 350hp, 100selfheal, 10sec wall

Similar to the previous thread, where the idea is to move Mei to the Tank Role. But here we have some decent balance changes to go along with moving her from one role to the next. Mei Hero Role Moved to the Tank Role, away from the Damage Role. Health Increased to 350hp, up from 250hp. Cryo-Freeze (Iceblock) Self-healing reduced to 100hp, down from 150hp. Ice Wall Cooldown reduced to 10 seconds, down from 13 seconds. All told, the idea here is to make her into an actual Tank. Ins…

You know what makes Tanking miserable

My skill tier on Tank fell to low Gold, haven’t been playing much. Felt like I got 4 games in a row with DPS that appeared to be literally trying to derank. Like 3 kills as Gold for the first 15 minutes, and not a single shot fired at the enemy tanks. And you know what, there’s really not much you can do about it besides “oh well, guess we lose”. Just had one good game, so there’s that. But wow is that a soul crushing experience.