👺 Revert Sym's Primary (A lot of Links)

[Doomfish-21368]

You seen this topic before on the forums, so I am so gonna provide links here.

☠️ Revert Symmetra's Primary!

The main problem with symm 3.0 is her primary fire. I think that a simple revert of that ( even with the old weapon damage) would fix the issue. Could the devs answer this? What do you guys think?

Lol. Developers boss's dont read the forums

Plz, just go and see some profiles summary,s of each guy on this forum, and you can see the numbers of posts read… Now go and see the jeff and geof profiles… Sorry for my english.

Don't change Torb's Gun

I don’t want to repeat Sym’s rework. (Actually want that primary fire reverted) But yeah, Torb’s gun can be improved, like increase reload time or rate of fire etc… But please don’t turn it into like a flame thrower or something. Seriously are just killing off hero and replacing by that point. Don’t need that to happen again.

Has a revert ever happened?

It seems like everybody these days wants heroes reverted to old versions. Has a hero ever actually been reverted? I know some heroes have had multiple changes, but I don’t remember a time where Blizzard said “yeah that change didn’t work, we’re going back to the old way”. I only ask because the forums seem to be cluttered with all these “revert” threads.

Remission of submission requested

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Why Sanjay (Symmetra 3.0) is Not Symmetra and Why You Should be Angry

So I am noticing that a lot of people don’t really realize that the new Symmetra “rework” is actually a completely different hero. A lot of people don’t play Symmetra so - When they hear that Sanjay (Sym 3.0) has a “Teleporter”, they think it’s an improved Symmetra Teleporter. When they hear that Sanjay has a reworked Photon Barrier, they think it’s an improved Symmetra Barrier. But the problem here is that the skills Sanjay has are fundamentally different from Symmetra’s skills. His …

Symm 3.0 Feedback from a Masters perspective

Symm 3.0 Feedback from a Masters perspective. This is an honest opinion. It will be biased in nature and somewhat contradictory. Keep your salt to yourselves. Thank you. The rework was mostly a success I like the concept you’re trying to push for blizzard but I’ve got a few issues. I’m going to both praise and critique as we move forward. The Primary fire Having 70 ammo with the ptr setup is nice but I would like you to test 85 as it’s easy to get through. The damage changes are great but po…

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/search?q=Sym

Symmetra Rework: Defense or Support?

Yes. We’re still trying some things but whats working pretty well right now is her primary fire changed to no longer lock on but works as a straight beam that is fairly thick and has increased range. It still has the potential to gain extra damage by dealing damage like it does now, but instead of going 30/60/120 dps it is currently 65/130/195 dps. However, it now takes a combined 2 seconds of damage to ‘level up’ to the next tier of damage instead of 1 second. This means the weapon has signifi…

[Fragehardt-1291]

I’d hate to be this guy, but…

How about no? We shouldn’t balance this game around people who cannot aim. There are plenty of other options for those people too.

[Doomfish-21368]

No aim heroes are needed

I see so many people saying no aim heroes ruin the game, I think they’re needed for good reasons. one some people may not have god tier aim like everyone else. Many people practice and still find it hard to be accurate. No aim heroes allow them to have fun without stressing out.Reason two imagine how dominate genji tracer and lucio will be. Especially since they rely on people with bad aim to get their kills. It wouldn’t be very fun especially for console players. With that being said please qui…

[Fragehardt-1291]

Never said that no aim heroes “ruin the game”. I said that the game should not be balanced around the people who lack the skill to use the heroes. There are plenty of heroes to play if you lack aim. No need to make Symmetra one of those heroes again.

[anon63781830]

@anon63781830

They will not revert it she is now vulnerabile in close range after photon barrier has gone, getting close to an enemy is death sentence for sym.

[Doomfish-21368]

Vent your saltiness

Feel free to vent your salt below. This is not meant to have any impact on balancing or changes to the game, so if any mods read this just save yourself the time and ignore this post (unless I’m flagged for some reason). So I was just in a match of Anubis, playing reinhardt on second point for the match point. If I won the match I would be in gold and stop having people complain when they get matched with a silver. I had my fish and chips with the malt vinegar on the side fresh and hot and read…

[Blasphemy-1121]

How about no? We shouldn’t balance this game around people who cannot aim. There are plenty of other options for those people too.

I agree, you could play Reinhardt as DPS. Or Winston as DPS. Or Brigitte as DPS.

You could play Moira as DPS.

You could play Mei, I guess.

That’s about where it stops, and out of the 5 characters I mentioned, only one of them is actually in the damage category.

I have a feeling people on your team might be upset if you play those characters as DPS, sans Mei.

[Doomfish-21368]

No aim =/= No skill 2.0

This is essentially a coutinuation of the thread that ive made long ago, the thread essentially got old, as there was a lot i couldnt say in the thread because people just would not see it, essentically consider this thread as its upgraded version, i will try to make this as clear as possible of my argument towards the mindset im trying to debunk. THE “no skill” ARGUMENT i will explain the best i can what the mindset im trying to debunk is, ill try to not be biased because as you can tell, im …

[Fragehardt-1291]

If you cannot aim, then perhaps the damage slot isn’t for you?

And Junkrat exists, you know…

My aim isn’t the best and I don’t come on the forums and scream “DPS heroes need to be easier to play”! You know what I do? I play tanks. I help my team with my brain. There are heroes for everyone in this game.

[Doomfish-21368]

Aim is only a tiny part

It’s funny how people like to act as if raw aim is the only thing that matters in a game and if a hero doesn’t require it they are immediately no skill. Mechanically intensive heros were made to attract fps players, only a small part of the game when overwatch is meant to attract everybody. Non aim reliant heros should be just as powerful as aim reliant heros. So get off of your aim high horse and realize you are only a small part of the game.

[Blasphemy-1121]

My aim isn’t the best and I don’t come on the forums and scream “DPS heroes need to be easier to play”! You know what I do? I play tanks.

Okay, fine. Lets take your favorite tank (I’m just going by your icon) and take his shield away.

I mean, I know he’s had a shield since the games inception, but for the sake of a rework, we’re going to take a core mechanic of his playstyle, and remove it. No more shield.

While we’re at it, we’re going to make it so that you have to aim his hammer. If your reticle isn’t over an enemy, you will not hit them when you swing.

By the way, your charge is going to be reworked as well, instead of charging the enemy, you’re just going to lose the ability entirely, and instead you’ll now skip like a little school girl playing hopscotch to your target.

Thank goodness you’ve got your brain to count on, because while you’re busy hopscotching your way to your enemies, you’ll need it.

[Doomfish-21368]

Hero Concept: Mr. Salt

Mr. Salt is my new idea for a hero. It seems in contrast with the recent ones… so without further delay, I give you Mr. Salt. Primary Fire: Salt Shaker Mr Salt fires salt from his Salt Shaker, an auto locking beam of salt that deals 60dps The Salt Shaker does 120dps against players that are salty in the match chat The Salt Shaker does 180dps against Tracer mains E Ability: Mass Resurrect CD = 15 seconds Mr. Salt Mass Resurrects every dead team mate CD is reduced by 5 seconds for every e…

[Undertone-2728]

So how do you suggest Symmetra is fixed then? I personally don’t care whether I have to aim or not, I want Symmetra fixed. Fix her weapon, fix her garbage ult, give her some sustain, or HP or some way to survive or some mobility. Anything really.

[Fragehardt-1291]

@Jester

Lol the amount that you’re trying to pin other people’s threads as replies to my comments is sad. They don’t even contextually make sense with what I am saying. I literally just made a post saying that aim isn’t the only skill, and then you link a post validating it.

Okay, fine. Lets take your favorite tank (I’m just going by your icon) and take his shield away.

This is a strawman argument. How is that in any way the same as what the current argument is?

By the way, your charge is going to be reworked as well, instead of charging the enemy, you’re just going to lose the ability entirely, and instead you’ll now skip like a little school girl playing hopscotch to your target.

More strawmanning.

While we’re at it, we’re going to make it so that you have to aim his hammer. If your reticle isn’t over an enemy, you will not hit them when you swing.

If they compensated him by having more damage because he has to aim, I’d be fine with it.

[Fragehardt-1291]

Fix the damage tick problem and make the damage ramp up more quickly.

Edit: or even increase the base damage number (at minimum charge)

[Doomfish-21368]

☠️ Revert Symmetra's Primary!

The main problem with symm 3.0 is her primary fire. I think that a simple revert of that ( even with the old weapon damage) would fix the issue. Could the devs answer this? What do you guys think?

[MagyTheMage-1534]

My thread got pinged OuO

[Undertone-2728]

I’m cool with that. Like I said, aim has never been an issue for me. But Symmetra needs some help, she is in a very bad spot still.

[Chortlebrah-1435]

As a Sym lover… definitely not. You need to get used to the new LMB. It could use some fine-tuning, but reverting it is never going to happen.

A tip I can give you, try playing some moira and then come back to Sym. Moira will improve your tracking significantly without you even noticing it.

[Fragehardt-1291]

Yep, I totally agree. She does definitely need help. I think her current state can be balanced if tweaked properly.