VEs are a flavor of High Elves. You’re making the mistake you always do and almost dropping the word flavor all together, because I remember those sentiments and “antis” always emphasized the flavor part of that statement.
So now you’re here to say they are high elves using that same statement, and when antis point out the you’re missing the emphasis on flavor of High Elf, you’re falling back on “their flip flopping” thats not an example of them flip flopping thats an example of you missing the point both in how they delivered that point previously and how they still deliver the point today.
Out of all people, reading you saying this is funny. I agree with you that changing minds is one thing. Look at me - I didn’t like Void Elves at all the beginning. Not because of the colors, but because of two things: 1) They were former Blood Elves, not High Elves. 2) I didn’t find the Void theme appealing.
The first point became a non-issue when we received regular skin tones, as that is a strong implication that Void Elves are indeed accepting new elves in their ranks (including High Elf Wayfarers), pretty much confirming Danuser’s statement.
As for the second point, I gradually felt more inclined towards the Void theme when playing through BFA. I started to realize the potential of the Void. It’s strange to explain, I started to feel attracted towards it. I found it appealing, and I increasingly liked to think of my main character as a Void user, to the extent of finding it much more appealing than all the High Elf theme, personally.
Now, why do I think it’s funny that you said what you said? Because you drastically changed your stance from the very moment Blizzard announced no more customizations for Blood Elves (or any other race) were planned. That was the pivotal point. You didn’t change your mind, you changed as a person, in general. We can hardly recognize you. For those newcomers to this debate, let’s take make them look at your stance just one year ago, shall we?
That was a big jump, Lann. At first you supported a separate High Elf Allied Race. When Void Elves were announced, you actually were ok with Void Elf Paladins (?). In fact, if you keep reading down that thread, you’ll actually see a few High Elf fans telling you that wouldn’t be a good idea. I for one never thought that was a sensible idea, unless class skins were developed and Void Elves received a Void Knight class, essentially a re-colored Paladin class. You however were delighted with giving the full Light Paladin class to Void Elves. You also thought that Void Elf Paladins wouldn’t encroach on the Blood Elf Sunwell theme, and you actually advocated for sharing model stuff, “just not the lore”, as per your words.
Today? Today you believe that giving brown hair to Void Elves would irrevocably destroy to pieces Blood Elves’ identity. Wow. That’s a big jump. Today you instantly fear at any suggestion not related to the Void theme for Void Elves, with the imperious need of consistently letting everyone know that you think it would absolutely blow up faction identity somehow. Before you not only didn’t mind, you actually advocated for sharing model assets between both races and even letting Void Elves have access not to Light customizations, but to a full class based on the Light.
Moreover, you even liked Izzabelle’s suggestion to make a neutral Thalassian elf for both Alliance and Horde, even sharing the name tag of High Elves:
I still remember when you and I had quite a big argument about this shortly after the moment you suddenly changed, suggesting I had a hidden agenda among other absurdities, for expressing the same opinion you had just a few months before.
Funny, to say the least.
We did have to hear from antis and other regular forum posters, reiteratively, that Void Elves were our High Elves, something that today many of you for some odd reason won’t longer affirm. That’s flip flopping at its finest.
“The Void Elves are High Elves”.
“Well, then you don’t need high elves to be playable because void elves are high elves just blue.”
It seems Broflake completely forgot to include the “flavor” adjective there.
I wonder if she still has the same opinion now that Void Elves has access to regular skin tones.
Did you really go dig out posts from over a year ago when Lann has expressed several times that he used to support High Elves but eventually saw things unfold and changed his stance?
Mud slinging like this never works, because you’re bound to get muddy yourself buddy, specially when you’re clearly taking other people’s posts out of context to try to twist the argument.
I mean I’m good on it honestly, I stand by my support of the High Elf community having run its course. There’s a plethora of reasons mainly being the huge win we saw the HE community have and then seeing the HE community continue to charge full steam ahead at BE players expense. We also have their problematic behavior on and off the forums which makes it a lot harder to have that original level of sympathy for people.
Fast forward to now whether people change their mind or organically come to different forks in the road I have to say it’s still different if someone argues something knowing something is disingenuous and then later has to backpedal, that quote that is in question I generally agree with Magnificents take but still don’t think it outright confirms, however that quote has been out for sometime and it is comical that general sentiment on the pro HE side twisted it one way and now twist it the other way, that’s not really changing ones mind or stance to me because you could still have your pro HE stance and still believe your previous stance that many people made the hill they wanted to lay on and to not do that and now claim completely different meaning from the same dev quote because it suits you I find comical and not at all even close to the same thing as other people’s overall stances or personal stances changing.
Maybe he is digging up non points really showing a level of bothered we all know he has been since he used my real name on the forums because like said above by Lore he’s been told by people antis changed their stance in the past, I wonder who’s going around making those claims? Is it the person who’s so bothered about poking a hole in that argument that they went back to over a year to link posts about various people I wonder.
But if you know what someone means when they say this is your version of a HE, or these are your “High Elves” you can [add] in with common sense what is being said don’t you think?
To say these are your “Alliance” version of a High Elf is still emphasizing VEs are what you got, you don’t need to see someone say flavor every time to know that’s what they mean because you know what their saying that you have VEs this is your [version emphasis on version not being outright HEs] HEs, you don’t need them to say every single time that your version of HE is void effected bcz it’s rather obvious isn’t it?
I’m at the point where I’d accept Void Elves getting a few natural hair colors as long as Nightborne got all of the Night Elf customizations.
Give us the Night Elf standing posture and musculature, Night Elf faces, and some Night Elf hair colors for goodness sake. Nightborne look like they’ve been hit by the Blizzard hate train.
This was my original stance about Blood Elves to Void Elves and Night Elves to Nightborne but I used to get a lot of hate for it which I thought was silly given it was supposed to be an elf swap from faction to faction.
As for this, this is what Blizzard should have done to begin with given as I already said we shared our model with Alliance and they were supposed to share theirs with us but here we are still waiting to be equal to Void Elves as Nightborne and they are here wanting more and more before we have even gotten the fixes or the customizations that we should have gotten to begin with and then some for new customizations.
Yeah nightborne need a ton of work. I really like the idea of midtones for nightborne colors. Take a nelf hair color and white and take the middle tones.
But heck yes to the faces. If blizzard won’t change the model to look like the npc model, then they should at least do that. The horde got shafted on the model swap thing.
I want to just say that disingenuous backpedalling isn’t the same as changing ones stance or mind, or having different ideas that reflect your stance at the time.
One consistent fact I always had and I remember saying this when I first voiced support for HE fans was that I believed Blood Elves were High Elves that was my stance I support you but thats a fact. An example of disingenuous backpedalling would be if I had never had that stance that I felt BEs weren’t HEs, but now echo it and never make clear that I was wrong, or if I support people saying that and never go “wow I see that now”.
That was a hypothetical though I’ve always stood by Blood Elves are High Elves, thats a fact, the facts don’t change like someones opinion or stance might. Just like the quote I felt was disingenuous to now say says the opposite of what they previously used to say it said, their agenda hasn’t changed, the quote hasn’t changed the quote is a verbatim quote, the only thing that has changed is it no longer suits their same exact stance to use it in the way they used to.
The new BE/VE customizations were announced May 27, 2020
I know for a fact part of that conversation on Paladins was not a convo about Void Elves and the Paladin class but a convo still about a High Elf AR
This is from that same convo sorry to quote you Avarie nothing bad though just to iterate the convo was before VEs got new options and was about a HE AR still
That convo is at 7063 in that thread where you try to quote me
This quote you’re digging up happens at 7488 in the thread which means it was in very short time span of when I was talking about a HE AR paladin and when VE skin tones were announced, so of course I am going to sort of try to still be nice to people who want a paladin class after we were just talking about it.
You’re trying to hold me accountable to stance that I have now that I have always been open about having an organic shift in, within hours?days?? of the new customization reveal, do people form stances that quickly or do people normally take things in?
There is 31 days in May, the announcement came May 27 2020, a convo about Paladins happens prior to VE options at 7063 in that thread, by 7488 its obvious they have been announced. You’re trying to have a gotcha moment when there’s very little wiggle room for me to have deep thoughts on the announcement.
To try to quote me out of context nearly a year later to say I supported VE paladins is simply not the case, there was a convo about HE paladins and in a very short time span later VE options were announced and yes I was still getting a grasp on what I thought about everything while trying to maintain a level of consistency.
Actually it’s more because Blizzard decided they would add blue eyes and human skin tones to Void Elves as well that VE received them the same time BE got them. It would’ve not made sense otherwise from a resource-efficiency mindset.
It’s the same reason LF Draenei get tail length customization, Mechagnomes got their ears/jaws decoupled to separate options, and it’s also like when Mag’har got straight posture so they gave it to regular Orcs. It’s also why when they fixed the BE or aka Thalassian model bow shooting animation, they fixed it on VE too. Because all these races use the exact replica model of their ‘parent’.
So fixes to one, go to the other because it just makes sense. Imagine if they held back Green Orc posture until some time after Mag’har released? Wouldn’t make sense.
NB, and ofc VE/LFD/HMT all have the unfortunate luck of being the very first AR released back when Blizzard will still trying to figure out what they wanted from the system and how to go about it so, like usual, they were very conservative.
Look at the next batch of AR that followed, and there’s definitely a better sense of polish and options available to DID, ZD, KT, and Vulpera.
Bliz obviously put the most work into nightborn out of the original 4, with the changed model.
…but I really wish they’d get around to putting a lot more work into them. If nothing else (and we all know there’s some serious else), more jewelry and hairdos/colors should be MANDATORY for the wine mom elves.
Honestly, I think Nightborne should get most (if not all) of the Night Elf options (maybe with variantions on some things like say the vines, to make them spectral/magical/glowy)… and then I think they should get more on top of that.
The playable Nightborne had so few options to start with, were so lackluster compared to their NPC’s, and are still waiting years later for anything of consequence, that I think they should basically get the red carpet treatment when it comes time for the next batch of customization.
No, it was a result of constant whining that made it, so that Void Elves suddenly got additional skin tones that was not voidy.
Which was a faulty decision in my opinion. Void Elves should entirely be fixed on the void theme, while Blood Elves should be entirely fixed on the “High Elf” theme.
