"You don't need mythic gear for world content" Is true, but

[Fortuna-sentinels (Fortuna)]

Forget mythic or heroic, every time they try to make even normal-quality outdoor content people complain like mad.

[Khaelyn-moon-guard]

Why do you lie? Go watch the preach video where he talks about soloers and all types of players.

If you are not lying. We are not talking about the same things. rolls eyes

[Edamann-bonechewer]

Hello, I see you replied to my post. I’m not lying, you are, haha! Maybe you should actually watch that video again! What’s more, why would they NERF outdoor item levels in Dragonflight if what you are saying is true!?

Thanks for your post and have a great day!

[Eternosus-galakrond (Eternosus)]

I look forward to seeing how 10.0 plays live.
My takeaways from beta:

The world has normal areas that felt much better at 70 than Shadowlands did at 60. The initial gear rewards felt good to get.

There are elite areas that are a little beyond my comfort zone, but have rewards that will be tempting me to spend time there. If the world is well-populated, it will probably feel good to fluidly cooperate with others without formal grouping. If the world is underpopulated, it will likely be less enjoyable ( for me ).

I expect to spend a lot more time gathering crafting materials in DF than I have in recent expansions. It is hard to tell from my shallow beta play how deeply engaging/rewarding it will prove to feel. That’s the biggest unknown to me right now.

Anyway, I just don’t feel like rehashing our usual debates at this point. I am awaiting to see how to see how 10.0 experiments go for all of us.

[Khaelyn-moon-guard]

Because time and place for it.

Having hard solo or duo content is fine, but in the open world it really is not.

Tough content in open world is stupid, and becomes tedious. mobs being sponges and can kill you easily while you farming resources is not “fun and engaging” content.

You can have big bosses and such in the open world, but the normal content should never be tedious like a dungeon.

[Khaelyn-moon-guard]

Uh huh whatever you say. Don’t got time to debate with someone who lives in own world. Ion openly admits what i said, and even preach comment on it. Have a great day kiddo! I’m done with you.

[Edamann-bonechewer]

Hello, I see you replied to my post. It’s so weird watching someone be in such denial, haha! I’m sorry you are upset! Maybe a nice piece of pumpkin pie would make you feel better!

Thanks for your post and have a great day!

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Kidcriticus-baelgun

I think its like, doing the maw on a fresh toon start of expac sucked bad. Then as you get to the end of the expac, without doing dungeons or raids, zereth mortis gear is 239.
Going to the maw in 239 still sucks. Slow mob fights. tedious when your doing dailies and world content over and over and over.

I was having zero troubles in the Maw below 200 ilvl back in December 2020.

People were stupid. They didn’t use the grappling hooks and teleports to get around, and they kept causing a ruckuss by mowing down large swaths of the jailer’s stoolies, then wondering why their jater hate meter was so high.

@Kidcriticus-baelgun

Casual players doing casual content everyday getting sick of not feeling anymore powerful with the welfare WQ gear, need a better system to not feel the tediousness of the loop with no reward.

Which is exactly why Blizzard started putting alternate power progression in the game: Artifact Weapons, easy Legendaries, and Heart of Azeroth.

And people hated ALL OF THEM because “it’s too much work”.

[Soundbombing-thrall]

Mythic world content would be group content. Many of these events take the form of requiring two things

1. a high minimum # of players
2. 10 or so people who are by far more important to the success of the event than everyone else.

Mythic overworld solo content does not exist because the overworld is public. Whatever parts of this game are solo, have already died off or they are in bad shape,

[Khaelyn-moon-guard]

@Soundbombing-thrall

Mythic overworld solo content does not exist because the overworld is public. Whatever parts of this game are solo, have already died off or they are in bad shape,

And they said they hired like 300ish people to focus on world content and solo play style. So we shall see if they really do care about giving quality content to the world.

Overall Dragonflight is a make or break deal for many players. So we shall see.

[Sentenzà-illidan]

@Edamann-bonechewer

Maybe a nice piece of pumpkin pie would make you feel better!

I wouldn’t mind a piece of pumpkin pie. I could go for some leftovers… mmm…

[Rashiko-bleeding-hollow]

World gear at that level of power was typically always associated with crafting, so having that back is nice. Makes those professions feel like less of a total joke.

[Eternosus-galakrond (Eternosus)]

@Krysa-draenor

(pretends Titanforging didn’t exist).

Titanforging was useful for getting over speed bumps in that system. There were certain plateaus one could hit where one was stuck waiting for a specific slot to be offered, but titanforging offered a second path to making progress.

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Nightwishs-moon-guard

I dont remember people asking vision to be nerfed

Your memory is poor, then.

I am done with Horrific Visions

As a casual player who enjoys taking his time, working smart rather than trying to race a clock with twitch game play with his 55 year old hands, I find Horrific Visions to be completely un-fun, stressful, and a thing that does nothing but fill me with anxiety. After the game crashing in one and losing my progress, I am done, especially if I have to run four of them per week. No thanks. I now no longer care about my cloak and will continue to raid with it at 488 until Blizz overhauls the game pl…

Screw Horrific Visions!

Corrupted gear, insanity timer mechanics. Stupidest idea and concept ever created by Bliz!!! This is the exact OPPOSITE of fun!! I’ll pass on 8.3. Im venting cause I’m pissed at Bliz for coming up with such lame BS!

Horrific Visions STILL too hard for tanks and healers

I have been running horrific visions on my characters as dps. Usually i end up with 1 or 2 orbs left even when soloing with 2 masks on. I just decided to try on my DK as blood spec and 1 mask up, just to try out the changes. My dk has 470 ilvl fyi. Its just so damn difficult to kill high hp mobs in there. Especially because i have to keep moving all the time to avoid the swirlies and stuns and all the crap falling from the sky. I can´t believe that annyone tested the 25% hp cut in there before p…

Blizzard finally gives you hard solo content and you guys still complain

I really don’t understand you guys. I’ve seen like 900 posts asking for hard solo content because you hate raiding outside LFR and M+ (because of “gogogogo” mentality). Blizz finally makes hard solo content and the complaints are still rolling in. The Tech tree and new gear will make visions trivial in a couple weeks. Now I’m convinced that it’s not the content that’s the issue, it’s the possibility of failure. Players asking for infinite tries and queued content do not want to fail and learn. …

I feel like who ever designed Horrific Visions doesn't play Shadow Priest

I got destroyed in there. Seriously over tuned. That or I need better gear apparently 432 isn’t enough. This kinda sucks. I didn’t even get to the boss

Visions as holy priest makes me want to quit

I am trying to progress - I have AOTC, trying push higher keys, work on my 2s rating (I’m still new to arena), and yet I have a bunch of missing DPS/healing from corruption gear I can’t equip because I’ll wipe a group/lose a match if I get bad rng. So cloak is pretty much mandatory for me, even with the essences. Problem is, I’m in a different time zone than my friends, who are now all at max cloak rank and don’t even need to run it while I have vessels I need to get done. Since avoiding pugs a…

There were many, many, many more.

[Clawg-area-52]

You really want A boss like Halondrus just roaming around?

[Clawg-area-52]

I actually liked Horrific Visions. I think people failing them due to lack of skill was a good thing. What bothered me was the RNG prevalent in so much of BFA.

[Snozay-thrall]

@Fortuna-sentinels

Forget mythic or heroic, every time they try to make even normal-quality outdoor content people complain like mad.

No we don’t. They have had normal raid gear for solo players all expansion long

[Sarama-firetree]

@Clawg-area-52

I actually liked Horrific Visions

Problem is Blizz trying to please a huge spectrum of people whose wants are conflicting.

Do a lot of people want challenging solo/open world content? Probably.

Do a lot of people want easy solo/open world content? Also probably.

Pleasing both groups though is almost impossible.

[Nightwishs-moon-guard]

Did you actually read what you quote?

1st 55y/o saying he can’t keep up with the fast paced gameplay.

2nd not a solo player complaining about difficulty, just a unhappy player complaining about content.

3rd tank player complaining about how hard it is to do it as a tank, a fair balance issue in a solo time event.

4 an actual solo player or at least supporter asking why there are complains about it with a lot solo players actually supporting him and the content.

5 undergeared player complaining this is one actually on point for your argument.

6 someone who actually raid and does m+ complaining not a solo player.

From those only the old dude and the undergeared are actually solo player complaining about difficulty however there is one raider and m+ player and the other is a thread with a bunch of solo players actually mad at people who are complaining

So while ofc there is people complaining this examples you pick don’t show this overwhelming solo player complains you try to paint.

[Clawg-area-52]

Visions were fine. If you wanted really good rewards you had to get really good at them. If you didn’t want to or weren’t able to do well then you didn’t get good rewards.

There is nothing wrong with that. A player should be rewarded based upon their abilities, not their desires. If you struggle in normal raids why should you get heroic or mythic rewards?

There were problems with the system (rng) but those can all be fixed.

Ultimately the problem WoW suffers from is they cannot iterate sufficiently. They have been inventing borrowed power systems, iterating on them, getting them to a decent (although never ideal) spot, and then scrapping them and starting over. Legion legendaries, Azerite armor, essences, corruption, conduits and covenants, etc.

That’s part of why I’m some hopeful for Dragonflight. With talent trees there are a lot of really bad decisions, but they can be fixed as Blizzard iterates on the same core system. Example: Demon Hunters having Unbound Chaos, Initiative, and Momentum. Terrible design, it should be its own spec. They can iterate on it, however, and improve it over time.