👺 Revert Sym's Primary (A lot of Links)

[anon63781830]

@anon63781830

They will not revert it she is now vulnerabile in close range after photon barrier has gone, getting close to an enemy is death sentence for sym.

[Doomfish-21368]

Vent your saltiness

Feel free to vent your salt below. This is not meant to have any impact on balancing or changes to the game, so if any mods read this just save yourself the time and ignore this post (unless I’m flagged for some reason). So I was just in a match of Anubis, playing reinhardt on second point for the match point. If I won the match I would be in gold and stop having people complain when they get matched with a silver. I had my fish and chips with the malt vinegar on the side fresh and hot and read…

[Blasphemy-1121]

How about no? We shouldn’t balance this game around people who cannot aim. There are plenty of other options for those people too.

I agree, you could play Reinhardt as DPS. Or Winston as DPS. Or Brigitte as DPS.

You could play Moira as DPS.

You could play Mei, I guess.

That’s about where it stops, and out of the 5 characters I mentioned, only one of them is actually in the damage category.

I have a feeling people on your team might be upset if you play those characters as DPS, sans Mei.

[Doomfish-21368]

No aim =/= No skill 2.0

This is essentially a coutinuation of the thread that ive made long ago, the thread essentially got old, as there was a lot i couldnt say in the thread because people just would not see it, essentically consider this thread as its upgraded version, i will try to make this as clear as possible of my argument towards the mindset im trying to debunk. THE “no skill” ARGUMENT i will explain the best i can what the mindset im trying to debunk is, ill try to not be biased because as you can tell, im …

[Fragehardt-1291]

If you cannot aim, then perhaps the damage slot isn’t for you?

And Junkrat exists, you know…

My aim isn’t the best and I don’t come on the forums and scream “DPS heroes need to be easier to play”! You know what I do? I play tanks. I help my team with my brain. There are heroes for everyone in this game.

[Doomfish-21368]

Aim is only a tiny part

It’s funny how people like to act as if raw aim is the only thing that matters in a game and if a hero doesn’t require it they are immediately no skill. Mechanically intensive heros were made to attract fps players, only a small part of the game when overwatch is meant to attract everybody. Non aim reliant heros should be just as powerful as aim reliant heros. So get off of your aim high horse and realize you are only a small part of the game.

[Blasphemy-1121]

My aim isn’t the best and I don’t come on the forums and scream “DPS heroes need to be easier to play”! You know what I do? I play tanks.

Okay, fine. Lets take your favorite tank (I’m just going by your icon) and take his shield away.

I mean, I know he’s had a shield since the games inception, but for the sake of a rework, we’re going to take a core mechanic of his playstyle, and remove it. No more shield.

While we’re at it, we’re going to make it so that you have to aim his hammer. If your reticle isn’t over an enemy, you will not hit them when you swing.

By the way, your charge is going to be reworked as well, instead of charging the enemy, you’re just going to lose the ability entirely, and instead you’ll now skip like a little school girl playing hopscotch to your target.

Thank goodness you’ve got your brain to count on, because while you’re busy hopscotching your way to your enemies, you’ll need it.

[Doomfish-21368]

Hero Concept: Mr. Salt

Mr. Salt is my new idea for a hero. It seems in contrast with the recent ones… so without further delay, I give you Mr. Salt. Primary Fire: Salt Shaker Mr Salt fires salt from his Salt Shaker, an auto locking beam of salt that deals 60dps The Salt Shaker does 120dps against players that are salty in the match chat The Salt Shaker does 180dps against Tracer mains E Ability: Mass Resurrect CD = 15 seconds Mr. Salt Mass Resurrects every dead team mate CD is reduced by 5 seconds for every e…

[Undertone-2728]

So how do you suggest Symmetra is fixed then? I personally don’t care whether I have to aim or not, I want Symmetra fixed. Fix her weapon, fix her garbage ult, give her some sustain, or HP or some way to survive or some mobility. Anything really.

[Fragehardt-1291]

@Jester

Lol the amount that you’re trying to pin other people’s threads as replies to my comments is sad. They don’t even contextually make sense with what I am saying. I literally just made a post saying that aim isn’t the only skill, and then you link a post validating it.

Okay, fine. Lets take your favorite tank (I’m just going by your icon) and take his shield away.

This is a strawman argument. How is that in any way the same as what the current argument is?

By the way, your charge is going to be reworked as well, instead of charging the enemy, you’re just going to lose the ability entirely, and instead you’ll now skip like a little school girl playing hopscotch to your target.

More strawmanning.

While we’re at it, we’re going to make it so that you have to aim his hammer. If your reticle isn’t over an enemy, you will not hit them when you swing.

If they compensated him by having more damage because he has to aim, I’d be fine with it.

[Fragehardt-1291]

Fix the damage tick problem and make the damage ramp up more quickly.

Edit: or even increase the base damage number (at minimum charge)

[Doomfish-21368]

☠️ Revert Symmetra's Primary!

The main problem with symm 3.0 is her primary fire. I think that a simple revert of that ( even with the old weapon damage) would fix the issue. Could the devs answer this? What do you guys think?

[MagyTheMage-1534]

My thread got pinged OuO

[Undertone-2728]

I’m cool with that. Like I said, aim has never been an issue for me. But Symmetra needs some help, she is in a very bad spot still.

[Chortlebrah-1435]

As a Sym lover… definitely not. You need to get used to the new LMB. It could use some fine-tuning, but reverting it is never going to happen.

A tip I can give you, try playing some moira and then come back to Sym. Moira will improve your tracking significantly without you even noticing it.

[Fragehardt-1291]

Yep, I totally agree. She does definitely need help. I think her current state can be balanced if tweaked properly.

[MagyTheMage-1534]

Links for two other threads

I Said this before, and i will say it again, Torb does not need a rework

He just doesnt, If you feel like torbs current state is horrible and theres nothing salvageable about this kit, you have not played the character, While i understand that torbjorn isnt played that much at the big ranks, it just just because he is slightly underpowered, a large part of his kit is salvageable and can be fixed with a few buffs, which i will say First of all, I belive it could be a good proposition to change a portion of his health to armor, atleast 50, so he has some sort of def…

My take on the sym rework. What i personally think it should have beenc

Allright first of all if your gonna say LUL U SALTY CUZ YOU HAVE TO AIM HAHAHAH just go do something else, i will not respond to those types of ideas… Lets break down 1 by 1 whats the problems with current sym,what was the problem with old sym, and what i think would have solved it The primary fire The current problem with new sym is that her primary fire is almost completly overshadowed by her secondary, theres almost no situation in which you will want to use this over the secondary one, …

[Blasphemy-1121]

If they compensated him by having more damage because he has to aim, I’d be fine with it.

Is this what you think they did to Symmetra? You think they gave her more damage? 100% of 120dps is…120dps. 50% of 180dps is 90dps. Not to mention, it takes three times as long to get to that 90 dps as well. Take Armor into account, and you’re doing 45dps.

So, you’re ok with that?

If I took Reinhardts weapon cleave away, made it targeted, do less damage over all to your targets, but tell you “Hey, it’ll do 180DPS now!” and leave out that you’ll be doing 45dps to your armored targets would be ok?

[anon50394144]

What is happening with the forums?
We don’t need to ask for reverts like this one because it will never happen.

Her primery is not that bad when you use it in the right moment!
I have about 50% accuracy with it and i use it a lot.

The most damage and kills is done by her turrets, they are really powerful Don’t underrestimate the rest of her kit!

Look at mei - she also has a primery that is not being used all the time. Her power lies in her icicles.

[Doomfish-21368]

Symmetra 3.0: A Summary From a 200 Hour Sym Main

Firstly I’d just like to say I love the Sym changes overall. As someone who played Sym (with a successful 64% WR over all previous seasons & QP) for almost 200 hours, I knew how to make old Sym work, but new Sym provides so much new utility, strategy and fun to the character. I’ve played all iterations of Sym, all the way back to Season 1, and have seen nothing but overall improvement regarding the hero. In this post, I hope to cover all parts of Symmetra’s ever-changing kit and my insight int…