AV Cave Rez situation

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

Had horde been playing this meta the entire time their queue rates never would have gotten as high as they did nor would alliance have been able to start premading again in the first place.

@Ziryus-doomhammer

This is what people really need to understand, you want AV to not be a zerg play some defense. This is something that’s 100% controllable by the player base, what really turned AV into a zerg was adding reinforcements, which won’t be in 1.12.

@Ziryus-doomhammer

And I could just as easily say that those who actually played 1.12 know that it’s not just a zerg and tactics and strategy are important.

@Ziryus-doomhammer

It doesn’t take the entire BG to break a zerg, a handful of people can do it. The reality is 1.11 AV doesn’t cater to zerging or not zerging, it merely doesn’t force one strat over the other. The people claiming they can’t stop a zerg seem to be mostly people who are just lazy and or bad at pvp.

@Ziryus-doomhammer

Exactly if you want a huge long lasting fight don’t let the other faction rush. You
know pvp in a BG.

@Ziryus-doomhammer

You don’t need 40 people to break a zerg, a handful of people can do it.

@Ziryus-doomhammer

shrug and this is where you blame the map instead of the players. Despite that there were plenty of games where a lot of pvp happened in 1.12.

@Ziryus-doomhammer

one instanced BG map is hardly that important.

@Ziryus-doomhammer

Pro tip an earlier version of AV can also be zerged. There was nothing magically about the map that prevented that from happening.

@Ziryus-doomhammer

it did not routinely get zerged, that didn’t happen until much later when reinforcements were added.

@Ziryus-doomhammer

@Grogu-dethecus

I had hundreds of posts back and forth with Ziryus who insisted zerg races are only a result of resources being added and wouldn’t exist in Classic.

Yep because on my battle group at least that was the case.

@Hawne-blaumeux

The main thing I recall about late vanilla AV was that it was mostly a base race scenario in most games.

@Ziryus-doomhammer

I can only speak for my battle group but that was basically my experience as well.

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