How long are we going to argue over Msv and Rsv

[Darkeforge-proudmoore]

I made one, admittedly, snide remark and then haven’t gone back. Are you really that daft?

[Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord]

@Azagorod-emerald-dream

Ranged dps, melee dps, magic dps, etc those are TYPES of dps. Their role remains the same. Dont bring up some bull**** about having a different role in raids.

I have to wonder if you’ve ever actually raided before. Yes the primary role of a dps regardless of “type” is to do dps. There is a clear cut difference in how a ranged/caster dps will handle things as compared to a melee dps. Don’t try to pretend there isn’t.

@Azagorod-emerald-dream

What makes you think range dps is different is because they are often assigned to do a certain mechanics since it wont hurt their numbers. A melee can still do them.

… “A melee can do the mechanics that ranged do so they are the same”… the fel are you on about? A role isn’t just about dps… it’s about how they handle mechanics. But hey, you go get a raid group of nothing but melee dps and see how well it goes.

@Darkeforge-proudmoore

I made one, admittedly, snide remark and then haven’t gone back. Are you really that daft?

So you admit you lied then? I’m happy for you, you beautiful gnome you.

[Darkeforge-proudmoore]

You’re a few crayons short of the rainbow. By the way, 30 tanks cleared heroic Ny’alotha, so I’m fairly certain melee groups could do it as well.

[Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord]

Whatever you say you beautiful gnome.

[Azagorod-emerald-dream]

@Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord

Don’t try to pretend there isn’t.

Don’t try to pretend there is…

@Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord

… “A melee can do the mechanics that ranged do so they are the same”… the fel are you on about? A role isn’t just about dps… it’s about how they handle mechanics. But hey, you go get a raid group of nothing but melee dps and see how well it goes.

Can work real good, slightly more annoying to the melee dps having to run back for a mechanic… but it can be done well. Darkeforge also pointed out the extre, all tanks raid.

[Spinnerdh-the-underbog]

@Darkeforge-proudmoore

Since we’re at it, I also never once said it wasn’t a big change. I’m just tired of seeing certain people go into any thread discussing these types of things, and pretending SV was the only major change made to a class throughout WoW, when there are plenty of examples of classes receiving major overhauls, good or bad.

People are allowed to give feedback about their own class and how to improve it even if other classes also aren’t perfect. You know what kind of comments aren’t conducive for beneficial discussion? These:

@Darkeforge-proudmoore

Hunter is not getting a 4th spec, no matter how many new threads you start.

“Stop giving feedback! It will never happen!”

That’s real helpful. Doesn’t help that you just straight up lied about not posting it. Also, don’t forget this time you incited the melee/range argument in a SV thread that wasn’t about it:

@Darkeforge-proudmoore

Still melee… and the band plays on.

Here’s the comment you made in that thread after you incited the melee vs range argument:

@Darkeforge-proudmoore

SV is melee, and is staying melee. Deal with it or move on. We don’t need another three more years of whining.

So you bring up the melee SV vs ranged SV argument, and then you tell people to stop whining about it. What a class act.

[Darkeforge-proudmoore]

Going into every thread about SV and crying you wanted ranged back isn’t feedback, it’s whining. Also, most of us who aren’t quitters, i.e. you, have been dealing with this for four years. No one even discusses the current spec here anymore specifically because of you and people like you who just turn it into “muh ranged spec is gone”…

[Spinnerdh-the-underbog]

I don’t go into every thread about SV to talk bout ranged SV vs melee SV. I only engage in that discussion in threads that are based on it or where there is already discussion taking place (usually involving you).

So far you’ve incited the melee SV vs ranged SV argument more than I have. If you need proof just look at my comment two comments up.

[Darkeforge-proudmoore]

What part of, most of us have been dealing with this for four years now needs more explaining to you?

[Spinnerdh-the-underbog]

Side-stepping again. Look here:

@Spinnerdh-the-underbog

Also, don’t forget this time you incited the melee/range argument in a SV thread that wasn’t about it:

@Darkeforge-proudmoore

Still melee… and the band plays on.

Here’s the comment you made in that thread after you incited the melee vs range argument:

@Darkeforge-proudmoore

SV is melee, and is staying melee. Deal with it or move on. We don’t need another three more years of whining.

So you bring up the melee SV vs ranged SV argument, and then you tell people to stop whining about it. What a class act.

You are the one inciting these arguments.

[Darkeforge-proudmoore]

Pot meet kettle.

[Inkarran-area-52]

Lol. So all of this. I just miss ranged survival because it was a fluid playstyle that I enjoyed. Hated that it was removed (after blizz gutted it and wouldn’t revert the nerfs, for the REST of the xpac. Then removed it).

We did lose a smooth rotation, well built, (albeit lacking in gimicks I guess) physical/dot class. That was unique to the game. (Unique, as in, the only ranged, physical dmg class, that used dots, to build sustained dmg and cleave)

I feel that it’s unfair, for any class, to be gutted of their primary dmg, and deleted. P.s. a lot of effort is going into the ideas of rebuilding it.

P.p.s. a lot of things are going into marksmen in alpha that make it look…more fun.

P.p.p.s. I’d still like og survival back but, in moving fwd, I digress

[Spinnerdh-the-underbog]

@Darkeforge-proudmoore

Pot meet kettle.

Quote me where I incited the argument in a thread that wasn’t about it.

@Inkarran-area-52

P.p.p.s. I’d still like og survival back but, in moving fwd, I digress

Hopefully Blizzard’s direction for SL, with the ‘unpruning’, came to them too late to bring back ranged SV this time around, and they bring it back in the next xpac instead.

[Bepples-barthilas]

@Darkeforge-proudmoore

We cannot actually discuss the current spec on the forums because of certain people. That’s a problem that needs to stop, period.

You say this like it’s a bad thing.

[Dawnspirit-wyrmrest-accord]

I mean he says this with 2 threads that are or at least in part about improving the current survival and no one is in either deriding them.

[Ghorak-laughing-skull]

@Darkeforge-proudmoore

First, for quite awhile hunters used mana

We only got Mana as a band-aid fix because they couldn’t get the intended class resource-system to work to a satisfying degree prior to release.

They even said this themselves in the 2005 panel.

It was originally intended for us to get Focus as a resource(just with a different design from what we see today).

@Darkeforge-proudmoore

and “fired” arcane arrows

You know it’s possible to buy an arrow which has been infused with Arcane magic, don’t you?

Nothing says that it has to be the Hunter who infuses the magic mid-combat.

@Darkeforge-proudmoore

Second, hunters and other ranged classes are played exactly the same.

Dumbest statement you’ve made in quite a while.

@Darkeforge-proudmoore

Your point would be correct, if any of this discussion had anything at all to do with aesthetics.

It does. You once again managed to overlook the point Spinnerdh made about the differentiation of ranged weapons, how that makes for a unique fantasy compared to other classes.

@Darkeforge-proudmoore

I never said they were equivalent, but dps is still dps. Your only job is to damage the target, period.

There’s a big difference between what arbitrary “combat role” you fill when opting to join a group, compared to how you actually fight/play once you’re in there.

@Darkeforge-proudmoore

I’m just tired of seeing certain people go into any thread discussing these types of things, and pretending SV was the only major change made to a class throughout WoW, when there are plenty of examples of classes receiving major overhauls, good or bad.

We/they never said this. They said that the changes done to SV were the biggest, for reasons explained earlier.

@Darkeforge-proudmoore

We cannot actually discuss the current spec on the forums because of certain people. That’s a problem that needs to stop, period.

@Darkeforge-proudmoore

Also, most of us who aren’t quitters, i.e. you, have been dealing with this for four years. No one even discusses the current spec here anymore specifically because of you and people like you who just turn it into “muh ranged spec is gone”…

#Actual feedback: rank 1 survival hunter wishlist for shadowlands

#Targeted Survival Feedback

#Carve should not have CD

#Is Latent Poison x3 worth it vs venomous fangs And wilderness survival

#Things I'd like to see for survival

#SV Hunter: Equip both Melee Weapon and Ranged?

#Thoughts and Suggestion for Survival Hunter

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Here are some topics from the past 20 days or so. Discuss all you want.

(Funny, I seem to recall linking 5+ threads for you to engage in, only a month or so ago. Topics similar to the ones above).

[Darkeforge-proudmoore]

And you wonder why most people consider you a laughing stock and rail against RSV. So to keep in line with the rules you want to play by, SV is still melee and is remaining melee in SL. Enjoy three plus more years of whining on the forums.

[Danieltoon-sargeras]

@Miggz-daggerspine

Basically, you both aren’t going to win arguing with each other lol.

Dark doesn’t even play a Hunter. He is just a troll. He wins when he successfully trolls people. In that sense, he is winning.

[Miggz-daggerspine]

There are far more trolls here than one person. I fully believe people can be passionate about their argument, yet logical about this situation as well. The issue is that NO side wants to give in, and they shouldn’t have to. BUT there can be a middle ground.

[Spinnerdh-the-underbog]

Darkeforge doesn’t have a side though. He is opposed to bringing back ranged Survival as a fourth spec, and that’s it. He doesn’t play Hunter, nor does he give reasoning as to why bringing back ranged Survival as a fourth spec would be a bad thing.