Did people seriously flag this thread…?
This is pathetic, exactly why I prefer to use Youtube and Twitter now. The forums are filled with hypocrites, false flagging constructive posts while claiming “Mercy mains” are the problem. Typical.
I didn’t even need to read the OP to know to immediately flag it…
xavvy, you’re literally just spamming at this point.
And don’t bother @'ing me. The cat will just get your tongue against everybody that calls you out for your passive-aggressiveness. Plus I know that you won’t respond if I respond back to your previous posts. Case and point? These two posts of mine in your previous topic, as well as EOW’s posts in your threads which have constructive criticisms (to which you’ll just call out ad hominem), among many, many other posts.
No offense, but I wish Rag Tagg would make a Forum Criers video and include one of your threads in such a video just to show how much you act like this.
And like I also stated to you in your previous thread xavvy, if you really want to try pursuing this crusade, be my guest. But I can guarantee you that you will be vastly disappointed with a potential direct response. They will state that Mercy will not be reverted or reworked.
Notice how the current threads that call out and attack Mercy mains get no such community flags? I find it funny how those double standards tend to work for those lovely people. It’s fine though. I intend this thread to be made to invite discussion and offer constructive feedback, rather than be a place for petty insults and attacking / generalizing groups of people. This isn’t the first time this has happened with my threads, so I’ll just let the Mods decide on this one and see for themselves.
You are fine to have that opinion and I respect it. I humbly disagree with some of it though. I think that Mass Rez was special in that is directly countered ultimate spam, a problem that we currently suffer from in our games today. No other ultimate did this to such a degree, making it not only a necessary ultimate, but also an iconic one. I feel that with tweaks, the ultimate could have been perfectly fine, and with the suggested rework (or some alteration of it), I am confident that the past issues the ability had would have been correctly resolved, especially so with how much counter-play in this game exists to it.
I feel that Mercy is good at pocket healing, but that it is not her only role. I feel that on the contrary, and that a playstyle that encourages just standing next to a team mate, holding M1 and taking no part in the actual fight itself (through things like res) is an ever worse example of game design, more so due to it’s lack of impact being made even more mundane with Valkyrie and it’s chain heals. But alas, that’s just my opinion on it, and I understand if you disagree with it. Just giving my 2 cents there. I do agree with you though in that I feel that this game could certainly use more heroes.
~Sincerely Yours xoxo,
a Lover of True, Fair, and Fun Balance.
#ReworkMercy
god i wished for a ragtagg video on these threads for a long time. He made one on sovereign once.
Also, since seagull said that ult spam is a problem, here goes xavvy using that as a buzzword as to why mass rez should be back.
Damn.
I mean, look, I hate the idea of mass res, but there is zero reason that this thread should have been flagged. It’s absolutely not against any aspect of the CoC and it’s encouraging discussion, which is what the entire forum is for.
smh some people…
Which means that flagging it is against CoC…
except it’s a carbon copy of another thread by the same user, used to “forward” the discussion. Two things that are specifically addressed as “spam” in the guidelines.
Yep.
Like, don’t get me wrong.
I’m not a fan of these threads. Or a lot of threads, tbh.
But I find it to be more effort to falsely flag something which requires multiple mouse clicks than just hitting the “Previous Page” button and carrying on lmao
People are spending more effort to be a jerk. It’s unsettling.
This isn’t spam. Spam does not put a lot of thought and wording to articulate a point in a thread. Whether you agree or not.
That’s yucky, man.
Unless I am horribly mistaken, there is significantly more discussed in this thread than in the one you cite
People can’t handle differing opinions so they mass flag, seems about right
there’s nothing that couldn’t be added to the other thread, especially since it’s so recent.
It’s still about reworking mercy and swapping valk with mass rez.
Not weighing in on either side, just speaking from what I know of the Code of Conduct, spam is also considered reposting the same thread/idea over and over in new threads instead of keeping it consolidated in 1 thread. So even though this post does have a lot of words to articulate a point, if it’s just rephrasing of a similar thread made by the same user this week (I think it was OP that made a similar thread earlier this week, but I didn’t click the link so I’m not 100% sure. Could be wrong here.), then according to the Code of Conduct, it is spam. Ex. why last week I saw like 5 similar mercy threads fused into one by a mod.
To be honest , I think the Mercy community has tried to change this mess of a rework with constructive criticism for such a long time - it’s enough. There isn’t anything we can do on these forums anymore. Now it’s up to the devs.
We have tried for over one and a half years - the forums are simply not the right place for constructive discussions.
imagine this was the forum of a famouse ice cream shop.
And people complain about wanting cauliflower ice cream, to the point the forums are flooded by the cauliflower movement.
If the shop had no intention of making cauliflower ice cream in the first place, they aren’t gonna listen to those requests, especially if they are just a loud minority that appears bigger than it is.
Most of the mercy talk is about mass rez, reverts or reworks, while the dev have made it clear that mercy has no planned rework, that they don’t like mass rez and that they want to make valk work.
While there’s a lot of feedback on that too, that doesn’t mean the dev have to try everything that’s suggested or answer with their own opinions on that.
Maybe they tried many stuff internally, considering their logs on the hanzo rework, where they talked about multiple ideas they tested, it’s safe to assume they do much more than we know behind the scenes.
Maybe they tried mass rez with los and cast time internally and saw it wasn’t working. Or maybe they didn’t.
But as a good friend of mine once said “if they did, they’d see how it was the solution all along”.
Yeah, the accusation was pretty wild. I’m Eevee and I’m female. I don’t believe I’ve ever interacted with you in another thread either. I believe this is the first time we’ve crossed paths. I don’t really know where OP got the idea that I must be you (especially since I think our style of typing and tone is pretty different), but it seems paranoid at best and kind of baseless slander at worst to try to negate your point/invalidate me.
Well, even though apparently we’re the same person, hi nice to meet you. It’s weird that even though we’re the same person, for some reason we have different opinions on Mercy (ex. I said above I think Mercy is overall fine and could do with some tweaks, but Sym/Bastion needs it more so they should be first). But I guess I should take it as kind of a backhand compliment that OP thought I was an experienced user on the forums on an alternate account
by chance are you the streamer named EeVeeA?
I see these threads somewhat differently. I wouldn’t flag one immediately by itself, since that would indeed be wrongful.
But when I can say that there’s already been many threads by xavvy just on “Bring back Mass Rez!”, over the course of a pretty short time span, then I would have to draw a line there. Especially since xavvy made another thread on this topic just last week.
Here's all of xavvy's threads on just the Rework Mercy topic alone:
Reverting to Mass Res - And the Common Misconception
"Mercy Players Caused The Rework!" | 10 Reasons Why That's WRONG ❤ (This one isn’t necessarily one by itself, but rather it gives obvious mention to it)
Mercy Rework is Terrible // Revert Mercy | Video
Mass Res - Easier to Counter, Better than Valkyrie? | Area Denial Ultimates
Mercy 1 Year Later | Was a Rework Really Necessary?
Mass Rez Makes a Comeback in Junkenstein's Revenge!
Mass Rez Mercy | Interview, Dichotomy & The False Narrative
Valkyrie | Please Remove it (Note that this was closed because it was merged with another topic)
Mass Res Will Return | 10 Reasons Why
Swap E-Rez with Valkyrie | Make Rez an Ultimate Again (This topic was the one that got the merge with another thread that’s on this list and was made by xavvy)
It's Time For A Rework | #ReworkMercy (Note that this one is this topic.)
It’s this huge list of threads that xavvy has already made that helped influence my decision on flagging this thread. Sorry, but when there are this many threads on this topic just from xavvy alone, there’s a point where a line needs to be drawn. If you still disagree with my reasoning in this, that is ultimately your own decision and I will not argue with it.
Mercy does not need a rework.
Mercy does not need more healing.
Most of all Mercy DOES NOT NEED MASS REZ.
Mass resurrection was without a doubt the worst mechanic I’ve EVER seen in a competitive shooter. It was one of the worst mechanics I’ve seen in any game aside from just the FPS genre.
Mercy is already a hero that requires next to absolutely no mechanical skill. The only thing you do as Mercy is learn positioning.
If you people want to play an extremely powerful no skill hero we already have Brig for that. Stop begging to be pacified with Mercy buffs because you’re unable to play more mechanically demanding heroes.
Mercy isn’t even bad which is what gets to me the most. She’s nowhere near as bad as Ana was when they nerfed her into the ground and buffed Mercy on the flipside, you literally would get flamed for going Ana back then. But I haven’t been on a team yet since my return, that was upset with a Mercy pick for heals.
I think Mercy is overall fine and could do with some tweaks, but Sym/Bastion needs it more
i actually think the same lol. Tho if there are tweaks, they should be qol that don’t radically change the hero.
As for OP, i can tell that they are not a troll. They’ve just been going on and on like this for a long time. Hence the checklist.
ps: hello, nice to meet you too.