Dear Blizzard,
Could you please give the Net deck players their own mode or give us skilled unique deck builders the opportunity to use all the cards we pay for instead of being conformed to playing net decks with the same cards over and over. It is to the point where you absolutely cannot rank up unless you play a net deck. I have so many cards just sitting and not being played due to this out-of-control net deck dilemma. The game is getting to the point where it just isn’t fun anymore.
All netdecks are homebrews that became popular. How do you define what a netdeck is.
If you make a deck and it becomes popular are you banned from your new Format.
It’s a rhetorical question. What you ask is technically impossible.
It’s true, net decks have been a problem since the beginning. Unfortunately nothing can be done about it except to pity those who engage in netdecking. As we know, the only person they are cheating, is themselves.
Or play Arena if you want to not netdeck. Who told you constructed must have no netdecking. The goal of the game is to win (not to not netdeck).
But let me guess: Arena is “cheaters” too.
Eating cakes and having them.
Your guess, as usual, is wrong. Arena was the most skill testing game mode for many years even when people followed whatever Hearthapp that told them what to pick or whatever.
Sure. It doesn’t make it automatically superior. Drafting randomly is a mess and the synergies that can create are very limited.
Having a netdeck with very complex synergies in it is another way to play the game.
Besides all netdecks are homebrews that just became popular.
No one respects sheep or bots or hiveminds. Sure in a pack sheep are mighty, but they get ripped to shreds by even a few wolves. Sure the Borg are mighty, but they ultimately don’t measure up to the best Starfleet has to offer. As I said…pity them, for they are only cheating themselves. The longest distance between two points is a shortcut.
I have always had a perfect solution to net decks. Hearthstone needs really overpowered cards that give off there overpowered abilities if and only if you can guess what card started in the opponents deck.
“Your Opinion on Net Decks”
My opinions on net decks are:
1). Net decks are inevitable and not worth taking the time to complain about.
2). Net decks are a shortcut to building a quality deck for many players who have poor deck building skills.
3). Players who whine about how net-decks are robbing their fun are generally bad players.
4). If possible, a good player and deck builder will attempt to improve a net deck until making changes only seems to weaken the deck, rather than optimize its performance.
5). The best time for homebrewers and players who enjoy experimenting with deck-building is right after a large amount of new cards have been added to the card pool, which creates an unsolved meta. This is why I dislike events which showcase pro’s building and playing decks just before the new cards are released, because it speeds up the solving of a new meta and the rate at which good net decks get posted.
6). Large, over-tuned, archetype packages are a bigger concern, because they often result in a high number of auto-includes in a deck, marginalizing the number of cards which make a particular archetype deck different from one another. I don’t like when the archetype package is so large for the new cards that will go into a new deck—it makes new decks feel mostly pre-solved, because there is not much room for experimentation to improve the deck.
I could probably dig up a bunch of my old posts, as is often my wont… Or perhaps I could just write a quick summary (although I confess to having started a search in my profile ).
Generally, I’m ruthless towards this kind of ‘playahs’, likening them to sheep and those who (warning, not a nice comparison ahead) pick up food… someone else has already digested before them. However, I generally make an exception for new or returning players on a limited budget with questions like ‘what to craft’, or, to a large extent, just budget players in general, I suppose — since options for experimenting are limited in this case, it’s a much safer choice to craft something ‘tried and true’ than risk blowing all the resources available on a potential failure. PS Hey, I’ve even done it myself quite openly, e.g.: Returning to Standard now? (alright, so I am digging up my old writings again after all), Just went 6-0 in brawl - #44 by SparkyElf-2852 etc.
Ugh, it’s probably one of the worst in general to me:
I suppose I’ll add another related passage, also elaborating on those ‘Timmy’, ‘Jimmy’ or whatever they are characters mentioned above:
To me, this ‘Timmy’, ‘Jimmy’ or whatever they are clowns with the “I’m the dung pile that smudged your boots once in a lifetime, ha-ha!” mentality are as deplorable as… this forum’s ‘core’ audience (speaking of resident ‘trolls’, of course — you know the type, popping up in seemingly every topic with their typical stuff), I suppose: prepared to generally suck, sacrificing their own possibility of having a life (re trolls), good performance in the game etc, for the very questionable ‘benefit’ of occasionally ruining someone else’s fun, instead of just having their own by improving their game (and thus probably win more, provided, of course, skill does have an impact, which I’m not so certain about), their life in general or something like it.
At this juncture, I don’t even know what’s worse — them or netdeckers. Even though I’ve never been a fan of the latter, to put it mildly, I’ll probably be much more indulgent to one on a budget than the former ‘creative’ type.
UPD: Oops, another self-repetition:
Ugh, I’m doing it again.
You’re assuming these ‘pros’ — who annointed (sic) them, anyway? — have some exceptional skill at doing that. It’s a… strong assumption. PS By the way, there’s less sarcasm than it seems here: even if a few good players gather at such an event for a few games with the decks they prepared at home (often with a requirement to use enough new cards in order to showcase a new set, rather than play with old ones, btw), it’d objectively be tremendously hard for them to foresee the whole future ‘meta’.
I’d rather presume that they influence, if not create or shape, the early ‘meta’ — just like ‘deck trackers’, btw, which are producing more of a self-fulfilling prophecy than an unbiased analysis (see, for example: Miracle Rogue.....finds a way - #50 by SparkyElf-2852, This game is rigged as hell - #213 by SparkyElf-2852), eventually do — the herd just copying their initial findings.
You’re implicitly assuming that there exists something like “the deck’s performance in vacuum”. That’s not how it works. Many of such adjustments are related to the ‘meta’… And if we let this discussion run its course, it’ll eventually come to the point of (rigged) matchmaking and such.
Thankyou everyone for your opinions. Great reading them. It does seem that Blizzard may be able to fix the net deck issue by just looking at the top ranked decks at the end of the season. I understand some peeps don’t have superior deck building skills. However, as human beings we are capable over time of learning and preforming any task. Let’s face it, we all love the game even with its hic-ups or we wouldn’t play. That being said and looking at the comments, we all learned over time to build a deck. However, to just copy and paste a deck from the net is not progressing your deck building skills. I absolutely love going against a really great original deck. Win or lose it makes the game more enjoyable.
You didn’t answer the basic problem. What if you make a good homebrew that becomes popular. Are you now banned from your own Format that you suggested?
All netdecks were homebrews that became popular.
You basically punish homebrewers (ironically).
I have been asked numerous times for a copy of my deck. My Homebrew deck wins. However, I will not post my deck code on any site because once it hits the net deck code sites, I will be playing against my own home brew deck over and over and over. Please folks build your own decks. Keep your great decks to yourselves and let other skilled deck builders enjoy playing against you and respect you.
I do this too…back in the day when Jeeves and Mechleaper were around I made an insane hyper aggro hunter featuring those cards + target dummy. Blew people out by turn 3 sometimes (and this was like 7-8 years ago when that was something of note and difficult to achieve). Never shared the deck list because I knew it would basically make or promote the equivalent of the modern mech rogue bots that we had for a while.
Unless you’re a streaming at the top 100, nobody is copying your deck.
And it’s probably not as good as you think.
Yep, I wasn’t posting my Classic decks when the mode was a thing for similar reasons.
Trolls do know more about your deck then yourself, though. And they can read your mind, too, being master telepaths.
NetDecking has it’s place.
Deckbuilding can be a lot of fun, but it’s also forever a work in progress. You can’t just sit on a deck and assume it to win. If you start losing, you would have to go back to the drawing board and fix it.
Not everyone can do that. And so, they go out for a deck they like. It’s only natural.
That’s like analysing stock market: you can investigate the past development thoroughly, yet you’ve got no idea about the future (unless you’re some kind of Pelosi insidious inside trader), and you next move is a hit or miss, generally speaking. Another analogy is generals, always preparing for a past war.
Adapting one’s deck to the ‘meta’, like an iterative systematic process and all that, is a big myth. Okay, I’ll elaborate, in case someone still hasn’t got it: you might make adjustments based on your previous losses, yet in your next game the so-called ‘matchmaking’ might counterpick the changes you’ve just made anyway.
In fact, there have been numerous reports of situations like this: for example, if 80% of the ladder in general is filled with DK and you make a deck that’s good against the DK, suddenly you’ll be matched against DK maybe 10% of all times, and if you go back to your old deck, it’s DKs again. Another example: you make a deck for a ‘top-legend meta’, then the game starts matching you with players from ‘bottom-legend’ or even lower ranks exclusively, until you slide back where you apparently belong.
The hypocrisy of the alt-right never seizes to trigger me. Those people have now the richest person in the world in charge of the checks and balances …of the richest man in the world, and they pretend they are fair at dealing with the markets.
They should just admit they are for plutocracy, and stop fooling those poor people they have convinced that being a patriot is being in line with the interests of billionaire leeches.