Created an off meta deck to confuse the matchmaking system

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Good on you, sincerely!

If you find yourself a deck you enjoy playing, fairly unique and doing good on the ladder, that’s peak hearthstone entertainment, go for it.

But, i have to side with others here, a sample of 10-20 games is nowhere near enough to get an accurate assessment of the deck. You’d need at least 1,000 games, and even then you’d have a +/- 5% on your average winrate. For a true assessment, you’d need at least 10,000 to 100,000 games.

Not to mention the meta is ever changing, adapting.

Take it for what it’s worth, you find a deck that works for you at the moment, that’s great. It may not work for other, and it may not work for you in the future. I have had happened to me with other deck.

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you must be making this stuff up the idea someone is unable to believe ina conspiracy theory unless someone else does too is ridiculous

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The conspiracy theory is that the group of conspirators (Blizzard) are conspiring to limit this player’s progress in ranked using a special matchmaking algorithm (because reasons). A conspiracy theorist (OP in this instance) is not a conspirator and can be an individual.

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A simple search of the definition should help you out. One can believe whatever they like to believe, however, the op is not a conspiracy theorist for posting their thoughts. There can’t be a conspiracy, unless more than one person is planning to do something illegal or harmful. Pretty simple if you ask me.

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Yup, a definition of conspiracy is correct, but OP is not conspirator or part of conspiracy. He makes conspiracy theory. Which is something else, you know? MoonUnit already said that but I feel in this case it is needed to say it again.

Here is definition of conspiracy theory:

A conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that asserts the existence of a conspiracy by powerful and sinister groups, often political in motivation,[3][4][5] when other explanations are more probable.

Leave the “political in motivation” out and you have perfect fit for all this nuts comming here with their fantasies…

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I’m not him, but allow me to offer my version of this story, i.e. an opponent’s perspective, anyway: ‘Trogg no stupid! Trogg make you stupid! Smash!’

Or perhaps, if said opponent has at least learnt how to create your typical topics on the forum, ‘Me no stupid, me netdeck gud deck, why I lose? Seriously? This is just stupid! Ridiculous!’

Ah, here comes yet another self-annointed (sic… that’s this game’s orthography, by the way, not mine) conspiracy theory basher, probably thinking themselves so smart for it.

This forum is repetitive, as some people have aptly noted, and I’ll have to resort to yet another self-citation:

Or a shorter version, for those who don’t like to read much:

Indeed, I’d like to hear who’s conspiring with whom. Blizzbots on the ladder with each other? :rofl:

Ooh, a would-be maths guru? Please, indulge me and point out what distribution you assumed, what statistic you used (if you know what it is) and your estimate of confidence intervals to back up those particular figures. Or have you just made them up because of your opinion and feeling?

Ridiculous I say. Ridiculous! Or perhaps something else is?

That’s a repetition already, much has been said, so instead I’ll point out the following: this topic provides evidence of an obvious conspiracy by some forums members to defame the topic-starter as a conspiracy theorist. Ha!

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If you’re not a blizzard shill, you’re a conspiracy theorist, right? :smile_cat: I’d like to know how I can get a nice office set up at HQ too! I’ll work for packs! And I’ll come on here to shill it up hardcore!
By the way, knowing what we know now as a society, I dare say many a “conspiracy theory” from days gone by, have now been rigorously validated. So there’s that. Commander David Fravor might have a thing or two to say about that!

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Shhhhhh…Quiet. That’s the inside joke the rest of us already know.

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And other way around, if you don´t believe in so called “own experience” or “feelings” of “this game is rigged” brigade and demand to back up their claims by some veryfiable data, you are a blizzard shill, right? :yawning_face:

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That’s correct. The shills are all about town. I see them in my neighbour hood too.
I will give you two examples from recent memory.

Last week, I was doing some fairly standard yard work on my fairly extensive property, which is surrounded by a wrought iron fence, and is monitored by around the clock surveillance.
See, I have this crazy pollinator garden that I constructed. It’s a monarch way station and registered pollinator project stopover point for migratory butterflies. Though it is a perennial garden, it does require some maintaining here and there. I do have to sort through weeds and such.
Anyway, as I was doing this, I noted a car drive down my street. Not once, but twice! I found this to be quite queer and knew something was suspicious. I assumed it was a blizzard employee, monitoring me once again.
I quickly purchased 5000 runestones forthwith. I did not note the car drive by again. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

Later the same day, I had to get some groceries. Where I come from, we eat food and the food has to be purchased from any number of purveyors endemic to my upper class neighborhood. While I was shopping for food, I noted an elderly couple next to me. They were perusing the many stalks of celery that were available. What I found to be strange, was that that both politely glanced my way and said hello.
We ended up purchasing the same type of celery! What are the odds of that? Ha! More blizzard employees monitoring my every move, I knew I had to rush home to make another online purchase.
I’d rather be safe than sorry!

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Or, more generally, if you’re not with us, you’re certainly with Hank, you vile Hankist! Whoever on Azeroth that Hank is. :rofl:

Lookee who’s here, High Justice Hearthstone has graced us with their presence and demands evidence. I say, and I demand a sandwich!

Secret de Polichinelle?

How dare they! That’s most ridiculous. :roll_eyes:

You must denounce such wrongdoings by this company immediately, lest you become a shill, too, and Boba Fett condemns you. :rofl:

PS

Which reminds me:

Yeah, those crazy kayfabe conspiracy nuts…

No need to go that far, even.

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Does anyone know why the guy, SparkyElf, or whatever is referencing his own posts, which to be frank does not make much sense, all the time? Is this some kind of narcissistic disorder or what?

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Anyone with even rudimentary searching skills would know the answer — usually found in older posts by one SparkyElf. For example:

But not everyone is gifted with reading or comprehension skills equally. Some delve into the intricacies of quantum theory, others cannot fathom the importance of bathing, table manners and basic literacy.

The honesty of some can be refreshing, though:

:grinning: No wonder. Well, at least they’ve learnt how to play this deceptively simple game and… express themselves on the forum — it could also be considered a start. :smirk:

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And this is EXACTLY the problem we have.

The lack of understanding or ability to understand the flawed logic.

If matchmaking is determined based on the deck you play as you suggest, it must also be determined for the other player unless you think you’re special.

In every “rigged against me” claim, there must be an exact and equal “rigged for me” scenario for someone else.

In your case, if the matchmaking can’t determine your deck and does something weird, you must also admit it has to do the opposite for your opponent.

Start with this basic logic and go from there and you should, logically, find why your conclusions can’t work in the grand scheme of things.

To put it another way, it’s logically impossible for someone to “more often than not put me against a direct counter” because that means someone else has to experience the EXACT opposite. Mages purposefully going against a direct Shaman counter must ALSO mean Shamans purposefully go against non-counters Mages.

Like someone said above, it’s pretty ironic that this didn’t occur to you. Of course it didn’t, because if it had, you wouldn’t have ever made the original post.

The entire point of me telling you to understand your opponent’s perspective was for you to realize that you HAVE to be on the other end of things as well. At all other points in time when you find a match, YOU have to be the opponent that experiences the opposite. It can’t be true for you AND the opponent at the same time that “more often than not, the game matches me against my direct counters”. It’s logically and statistically impossible.

The fact that you couldn’t see it from your opponent’s perspective is ironic because you haven’t realized that you also are the opponent at the same time.

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Right? And yet it is still much more than all those rigged guys combined :person_shrugging:

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Even when matched against a direct counter you aren’t due to automatically lose. EVERY match is winnable up to a point. Play to your outs and stop worrying about why you got matched against a specific deck/class. That is a defeatist mindset and will lead you to lose games you could have won.

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Hello, Captain Obvious.

And what’s the problem here? Isn’t this forum rife with all this cheap swaggering, “I, I’m here, this is I, I’m legendary, look at me! Watch my hips moving!”

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hearthstone_gamepedia/images/5/55/Mailbox_Dancer_full.jpg

It would mean that rigging breaks, nothing more.

Yes, it is possible, and an abstract counterexample is trivial to construct. For instance, consider a half of players winning 60% of their games on average, the other half — 40%. Then you rig the matchmaking, so that everyone has 50% win rate. Can you say everyone has been treated by the rigging equally?

Yeah, yeah, if, say, a chess grandmaster is matched against amateurs and wins only half of the matches, as opposed to the expected value of about 99%, something is definitely as rigged in his favour as the other way around by that ‘logic’, because he’s also the opponent. :rofl: Oh, and, just to be clear, the notion is wrong.

But you still lose, say, 9 out of 10.

It’s not an eye-opener, what you said, and I’d generally agree… However, when climbing, some people decide that by conceding and playing another game in that time instead, they will rank up faster than by taking their chances in an occasional bad match-up. It could also be a functional strategy in some circumstances.

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This isn’t obvious to these people. That much has been made abundantly clear time and time again on these very forums.

There’s a “me” mentality when it comes to rigging complaints. “It’s rigged against me” claims outnumber the “It’s rigged for me” claims, would you not agree?

I already demonstrated it’s not obvious in a previous thread. I made a table of statistics and asked rigged claimers to fill in the blanks. If Mage has 10 games against Shaman, how many games does Shaman have against Mage? The obvious answer of “10” was not obvious to them. In fact, some of them rejected the idea.

So, no, not obvious at all to many people unfortunately.

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Narcissism

I typically ignore them unless they have something meaningful to add to the conversation.

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Or perhaps a “we’re all a priori equal” mentality in the opposing camp?

And what’s so surprising about it?

You’re more likely to complain if someone robs you than if someone gives you a gift, aren’t you?

Besides, I’d hypothesise that those in whose favour the game might be rigged lack the capacity to realise it, because ‘Me am smart’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jenlSf2E8o
I got a feeling I already said this somewhere (these discussions do get repetitive, see, for example: Why did I have this win rate if the matchmaking is rigged? - #120 by SparkyElf-2852 — looks like we’re going for another round about some points), but I can’t readily find the post.

Either there’s a gap in my education or there is no such thing. :grinning: A statistic is a function of a sample by definition, what’s the point of a table there? :thinking: