WoW Classic Version 1.13.7 PTR is Now Available

What do you think running over them and not having them activate is? That’s a delay… people can run over them because the trigger is delayed. You are grasping at straws.

:pray:

Spell batch sounds like a good change.

The video shows some smooth interactions in game. That looks great.

With regards to pvp spell batching, and some cool tricks ppl could perform, I understand that is part of the original gameplay. But if it only affect a minority of playerbase, then this QoL change is welcome.

Just because something was there 15y ago does not warrant its existence in the age of improved computers and internet. Playing with fake lag feels weird. New mechanic means new way of playing. I’m sure the arena pros will adapt. Change like this is surely welcomed by the most people.

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New Spell Batching Fixed WOW Classic that should have been done over a year ago! Lets Go Shut Down PTR Bring the Patch Next Week it is ready!! GO BRING THE PATCH NEXT WEEK SO OUR CLASSES WORK LIKE THEY DID IN 2004-2006… CLOSE PTR CLOSE PTR, BRING PATCH LIVE LIVE LIVE GO GO GO GO

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All the tests been made bring the patch 1.13.7 live most people who talk in these forums got no idea and only theorize about this and that when the game will be fixed now, they just afraid of loosing exploits.

We’ve made the following additional bugfixes and changes to the 1.13.7 PTR.

Classes

  • Paladin seals will now persist on the Paladin for a very short time after they’re replaced by a different seal.
    • Developers’ notes: The concept of “seal twisting” was only possible due to spell batching. With a greatly reduced batch size, we’re adding a slight buffer when you swap seals to allow you to proc two in the same swing. This was not an intended interaction in Original WoW, but it’s a fun quirk of WoW Classic gameplay, and we want to allow Paladins to retain the ability to do this. Please let us know how this compares on the PTR to how seal twisting currently works on live realms.

Items

  • Mark of the Champion, Rune of the Dawn, and Seal of the Dawn’s benefits are now marked as “passive” auras and will no longer count towards the player buff cap.
  • Resolved an issue that caused some summoned guardians, such as the Arcanite Dragonling and Vanquished Tentacle of C’thun, to become stuck on defensive AI and fail to attack enemies.
  • Shadow Oil and Frost Oil can now proc while the player is on the Global Cooldown.
    • Developers’ note: Shadow Oil is still bound by an internal cooldown however, and this is intended.
  • Resolved an issue that caused the Barov Peasant Caller trinket to only spawn 1 Peasant.
  • Resolved an issue that caused the Brimstone Staff and Rhok’delar, Longbow of Ancient Keepers to not properly animate in-game.
  • Resolved several issues with the Eye of the Dead trinket:
    • Spells such as Chain Heal and Prayer of Healing now only consume a single charge.
    • Heal-Over-Time spells now properly consume a charge when used.

Naxxramas

  • Fixed a few places in the Heigan the Unclean encounter area where Plague Waves overlap and cause double damage.
  • The range of Heigan the Unclean’s Mana Burn ability is now slightly longer if Heigan is being Tanked on his platform during phase 1 of the encounter.
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I need some clarification for the heigan fight, did you fix the spots so that they no longer overlap? @kaivax

Can you guys confirm that heigan’s range is now changed from how it was in vanilla? this has been a viable strat for 15 years

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So regarding the seal twisting thing.

I’m fine with it for classic, but you’re going to run into sizable problems if it’s allowed in tbc too.

First with faction balance, unless you give a a seal of blood (which you should)

Secondly, even if you give alliance seal of blood to make them even with elves, there’s going to be a pretty gross amount of burst being added to an already powerfully bursty spec… Seal twisting blood + command with windfury and reckoning or crusader strike with wings is a down right comical amount of damage in a global

Tldr, even as a future elf ret, you need to break this again before tbc

What about reckoning

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Another fun quirk of classic gameplay is rogues being able vanish stuff.

hint hint

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Please don’t try to salvage seal twisting. It wasn’t really a viable option in classic due to not having an overpowered seal to twist (seal of blood), and locking it in is just going to cause issues with the burning crusade’s paladin balance since seal of blood is horde only, and this method of seal twisting is far easier to pull off.

This version of seal twisting also has some pretty glaring differences to how it worked in the past.

Seal of Righteousness and Seal of Command can now proc off of the same white hit, this didn’t used to be possible.

Multiple ranks of seals can now also trigger off of the same white hit. Seal of Command can be twisted between ranks to get multiple procs in one swing.

This version of seal twisting is really broken and does things beyond any spell batching interactions of the past.

Supporting seal twisting like this shifts it from an odd quirk to a core design of the class, as it has large impacts on the overall class strength, and is also incredibly tedious gameplay, which is kind of the opposite of fun.

Choosing not to seal twist isn’t really an option when it’s worth 10% of your damage output.

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This also forces the dancers to be further away from platform during phase 1 making the dance run longer

At this point, I’ll take a fun, stupid quirk that does hilarious things in Classic, provided they fix it proper in TBC.

Also, Alliance totally deserves Blood in TBC.

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I think this is a dramatic change that will change the fundamentals of the game. Seems like a mistake to introduce this before the pre tbc patch. Everyone has come to learn to play with the current batching window, save such a drastic change for TBC.

This is a great change moving into TBC alot of classic player sdon’t like seal twisting in classic which I can empathize with but seal twisting is part of TBC. Just look into changing the SoC to SoC rank twisting that allows for 2 of the same seals as that is not intended atleast i don’t think you guys intended that. Seal of blood being alliance is an option ofc but will have same impacts but regardless seal twisting should stay as is on ptr and moving into TBC (soC obviously nerfed) We are at the point where classic is basically over and need to start looking forward and looking at how ret was in tbc this is more accurate then breaking seal twisting all together.

Eye of the Dead fix is greatly appreciated. Had to seriously consider just giving our Druid hard priority on it, and it wasn’t consistent at all with trinkets like Zandalarian Hero Charm. Don’t know anywhere near enough about Paladins to test or comment on Seal Twisting.

Kind of minor but I couldn’t help but notice the Brimstone Staff visual bugs were fixed but the Hunter and Shaman T3 helms remain bugged in that the glowing eyes do not display properly. Any plans to address these?

“Seal of Righteousness and Seal of Command can now proc off of the same white hit, this didn’t used to be possible.”
Yes it was possible, and still is in classic right now.

Yes it will create a bigger divide in bc between the factions but seal twisting was widely known about and used in bc and even later. Not having it would be a big nerf to an already bad dps spec.

No, it is not.

There is no timing that allows this to occur on the live realm. If there were, we would be doing it.

The only 2 twists that work in classic are

A damaging seal + SotC, because the haste snapshots at swing start and the damage happens later.

And SoC / SoJ for some added RNG stuns.
(The stun twisting still worked on the no batching ptr, but it was tight)

Neither of these had a large impact on dps

Cool, now add a delay to intercept stun so we can shadowstep it.

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