Succubus is sexist please remove/ incubus incoming

[Michar-moon-guard]

lol. what a touchy little cupcake… this is my name for sensitive little flowers
cupcakes…

[Michar-moon-guard]

@Etamalgren-drenden

If succubus is sexist, please add an incubus to balance it out.

Its not sexist to have a female character, when the warlock summons a bunch of boy… if this is the case, my warlock will be renamed “Sausageparty” or something. Lol.

[Swarf-proudmoore]

holy crap this thread is still going…

[Lokath-blackhand (Lokath)]

People are passionate about the succubus.

I feel like there is some kind of irony about that.

[Laragonsia-proudmoore]

@Ijilijil-zuljin

This is not a smart idea because evey one will start to take stuff away from the game that don’t need too

Ahh the slippery slope fallacy strikes again.

[Lokath-blackhand (Lokath)]

Here is more evidence that supports the fact that blizzard is cleaning things up in the game.

Vanilla Wall Paintings HD Updated and Desexualized in Patch 9.1.5

[Lokath-blackhand (Lokath)]

Did you see the paintings they are fixing ?

[Fliare-quelthalas (Fliare)]

People, y’all need to stop replying to the troll and just let this thread be buried.

[Lokath-blackhand (Lokath)]

There is a reason this thread continues.

[Neekó-moon-guard]

there is a 99% chance that the succubus gets 1. removed or 2. covered up.

[Laragonsia-proudmoore]

Covering it up would be the wrong move, they need to just straight replace succubus with another demon.

[Lokath-blackhand (Lokath)]

My efforts have not gone unnoticed

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

@Neekó-moon-guard

2. covered up.

Most depictions of succubi in antiquity did, in fact, have dresses

just throwing that out there

@Laragonsia-proudmoore

they need to just straight replace succubus with another demon.

No they need to add an incubus (including adding some in Dreadscar Rift)

We’ve been asking for an incubus for all of WoW’s history

We were actually promised an incubus back in Cataclysm, ten years ago

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Warlock Customization: More Grimoires! And other stuff

With the addition of the new warlock customization system, I’ll be creating a new part of this post above the old, to keep for posterity. So we got a customization system on the barbershop! Reiterating the short and sweet asks: Please give warlocks the ability to speak Demonic once more. This was removed when Demon Hunters were added, and it doesn’t make sense given presumably demon summoning rituals are in demonic. Similarly, given we summon the Voidwalker/Voidlord, I would argue we should…

[Lokath-blackhand (Lokath)]

I hope after all of this, I can get Lokath immortalized as either an incubus or in the warlock order hall.

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

I damn well better be immortalized as the warlock grimoire scribe after all the damn effort I’ve put into the damn concept this past year (and for the foreseeable future until I quit the game or it dies or the world ends)

[Lokath-blackhand (Lokath)]

You’ll always be a legend in my book!

[Laragonsia-proudmoore]

@Baalsamael-turalyon

No they need to add an incubus

That won’t solve the issue.

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

We’re in a mutually beneficial contract with her. We feed her the hearts of good men, she does our bidding when we choose to summon her. We stop feeding her the hearts of good men, she’s free to go because contract is broken.

The outfit could use some touchups (I mean the Madonna cone bra is just… so 90s), and I wouldn’t object to something like a Victorian Dominatrix (so long as we get the equivalent for an Incubus because we were promised such ten years ago

If anything, the canonical lore of our in-game succubus minion is much improved over the IRL myth:

@Baalsamael-turalyon

In myth? No, the oldest iteration of the succubus, the “Lilin” or “lilu”, are traditionally the daughters/servants of Lilith, who in some retellings is the “first vampire” (because she survived on blood in the desert East of Eden) or the “mother of demons” (folklore which started as Jewish myth and spread to both Christians and Muslims over the centuries) by being the consort of Satan (and in some iterations of Jewish medieval theology, she is the mother of Cain).

Otherwise some other “Night Women” vary from the Greek Lampades (who serve Hekate), Irish Banshees (who are often described as beautiful, particularly the Banshee Queen Cliodhna), or the more cursory and globally “White Lady” myths (e.g. Latin American Llorona), or the Greek Lamia.

Notably, the Mesopotamian Lilu which became the Jewish Lilin (of Lilith) was translated by Hellenic Jews in the Septuagint as “Daimonia” (Demons, or Spirits) in Isaiah 34 while the Roman Church translated it as Greek Lamia but Latinized and retained.

Medieval Jewish theology maintained the Succubi were the children of the Demon Queens while Western Christian tradition the Succubi and Incubi were divided into two separate beings.

Notably both the Lamia of Greek is derived also from the Mesopotamian myth of the Lammashtu/Lammea (historical speculation) who is separate from the Lilu, but the Lammea are daughter/s of Anu while the Lilu are tied to Inanna/Ishtar.

In every iteration and in its mythological genealogy, the succubus is a predator and a servant, and tied to both nocturnal emissions, the death of newborns (particularly male newborns), or children both with malformations, usually due to punishment of the parents.

The real issue is we lack an Incubus and we lack Warlock Stables.

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In my ideal world, Succubus slot should be:

• Succubus
• Shivarra
• Spider lady demons
• Imp Mothers
• Satyr
• Felblood Elves
• Fel Orcs
• Eredar (both models)

[Phoenickz-sargeras]

@Lokath-blackhand

As the title suggests, the succubus demon/warlock pet needs to be removed from the game. It perpetuates a harmful stereotype of female subservience. Additionally, she is barely wearing any clothes.

Now is the time. Times up.

Edit: With the removal of /spit, this is more likely than not to happen.

More evidence that supports blizzard removing or editing the succubus.

Succubi are, and have always been, demoness who don’t wear much clothing. This should not be changed under any circumstances. If you do not like it, deal with it. It is in the lore, it is how the culture is around it. Stop trying to change just for the sake of change because your sensitivity levels are too bad.

@Lokath-blackhand

Edit: so there has been a lot of discussion, at least SOME was constructive. Maybe there can be some kind of compromise. I.E. glyphs, add an incubus, put actual armor on the succubus, etc…. There have been too many people not taking this seriously enough, and several trolls have resorted to attacking me instead of discussing the topic at hand.

Because you are crazy and insane for trying to change things like this. A full on neurotic nutcase. That being said, though, no, it should not be changed nor does it need to be. You can have a glyph for incubus, that would be fine. A succubus with armor would be cool to have as a glyph as well, but that still doesn’t change the original form of them.

@Winsten-sentinels

Just remove yourself from the game instead, OP.

Agreed, from the internet really. If people are literally too sensitive, you should not be using the internet, at all. Not trying to be some mean bully here, but seriously, you’re not doing the game nor world any favors with being so uber sensitive. I hate sounding like an a-hole, but, this is seriously neuroticism at its core.

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

@Phoenickz-sargeras

Succubi are, and have always been, demoness who don’t wear much clothing.

Historically false as I illustrate in the post immediately above yours.

The cultural genealogy of demons being an area of research of mine IRL

Frankly, I am not married to the Madonna Cone Bra.

But if they’re gonna change her outfit, it is high time we get an incubus.