Really? No Flying in next patch?

[Grrumm-dawnbringer]

@Simplyred-hydraxis

I love dragon riding but it’s stupid not to have regular flying too. Just another case of them being stubborn over ridiculous things.

100% this.
Just feels like more control issues over flight yet again more than anything necessary.
They really need to get over it at this point.

[Pixistyx-moon-guard]

I still think they should be used independently and not complimentary. My suggestion is not complicated, and I think its reasoning is sound. Putting both of them together at once I think would take away from dragon riding’s design.

[Briselody-lightnings-blade (Briselody)]

@Pixistyx-moon-guard

This would make sense if you have all the glyphs, but newcomers won’t.

Buddy I had all the glyphs an hour after the expansion launched. This is not an argument.

@Pixistyx-moon-guard

I think its reasoning is sound

It is not.

[Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast]

Dragonriding’s design is to go fast. It’s why it exists complimentary to TBC Flight, whose design is to have perfect precision.

Being bad at Dragonriding should just mean you don’t get to fly at Dragonriding speeds. Not that you don’t get to fly at all. This design does not get invalidated by having TBC Flight alongside it. You still have to re-ground to swap mounts anyway to try Dragonriding again.

[Pixistyx-moon-guard]

@Briselody-lightnings-blade

Buddy I had all the glyphs an hour after the expansion launched. This is not an argument.

Okay? And I didn’t. What’s your point? The idea was new to me and it took me a while.

[Karazaa-1766 (Karazaa)]

Pathfinder will be coming in 10.2. Its implementation has not been finalized on PTR. More details will be coming soon. Unlocking pathfinder will allow you to use your non-dragonriding mounts in the Dragon Isles.

[Lingxiu-the-forgotten-coast]

Holy crow, a Blue responding in real-time. o.o

[Titanspite-stormrage]

nice! glad to hear this

[Thundraxx-stormrage]

awww yiss finally i can hover and afk

[Briselody-lightnings-blade (Briselody)]

@Pixistyx-moon-guard

What’s your point?

What’s yours? Did you have one? The challenge in getting the glyphs was finding the things, not reaching them (besides that one at the very highest peak).

And the only way to find them was to either install TomTom like everyone did, or ride your dragon around and let it react when one was close.

The problem you’re making up was already solved.

@Karazaa

Pathfinder will be coming in 10.2.

[Sendryn-sentinels]

@Pixistyx-moon-guard

This would make sense if you have all the glyphs, but newcomers won’t

Yes they will. I’ve brought new players to this expansion. It’s the first thing they do when they get dragonriding.

@Pixistyx-moon-guard

Before I had them, I found myself grounded quite a bit

Which is why I said this can’t be the basis for an argument, because the people who don’t have all the glyphs made that choice to gimp themselves and it’s a minority that has no effect on the overall game.

@Pixistyx-moon-guard

Because I think it takes away from the feature.

The feature will have been out for most likely a year or more and this doesn’t mean anything to those who will consistently use dragonriding like me.

I don’t much care if someone wants to go 410% speed and swap around at the end of an expansion.

[Thelei-stormrage]

Thank you
/10char

[Pixistyx-moon-guard]

Then maybe I was wrong. Oh well.

[Titanspite-stormrage]

you were wrong

[Baalzebarbie-azuresong]

And Vladimir Ions war on flying continues.

[Briselody-lightnings-blade (Briselody)]

@Baalzebarbie-azuresong

And Vladimir Ions war on flying continues

Lmao you’re gonna feel silly when you look up.

[Voidarcane-whisperwind]

@Karazaa

Pathfinder will be coming in 10.2. Its implementation has not been finalized on PTR. More details will be coming soon. Unlocking pathfinder will allow you to use your non-dragonriding mounts in the Dragon Isles.

Awesome!

Do we have any timeline (if you can share it) on when Dragonriding in the old world will be available?

[Voidarcane-whisperwind]

@Baalzebarbie-azuresong

And Vladimir Ions war on flying continues.

Eh, Pathfinder could be as easy as it was in Shadowlands, and it wasn’t that bad this time around because we had Dragonriding.

I do hope come time 11.0 we have Dragonriding and Flying from the start.

[Baalzebarbie-azuresong]

@Shadybolt-thrall

@Sendryn-sentinels

Because it doesn’t affect you when someone goes 410% speed and you’re doing between 800% to 1200% speed.

That’s not what’s going to happen though, and taking even half a moment to think about it reveals why:
“Oh my gosh! Why should that loser on a dragon fly so much faster than me?!”

If you have two options and one is far superior than the other, that creates implicit elitism and classes of people - you can’t get people to change their way and you can’t balance the feeling of difference that creates
Does it matter in the short term? Nope
Long-term it absolutely murders people’s interests in games and events when these are the options

Do I think there should be more options? Sure
Do I believe it would be good for the game overall if “fly swimming” came back into the game? No, I honestly don’t - and I see no reason that it would actually be more beneficial for the game’s overall health

@Sendryn-sentinels

There’s also accessibility reasons for those who cannot do dragonriding.

Even in terms of this one complaint that is genuinely the only real good argument against it (yes, there are others - the problem is that there’s almost always universally a solution to those things meaning that they aren’t so much problems as much as ‘things to deal with’ but yes there are other critiques that should be taken into account)

I’m not a designer so I don’t have the solutions but … just to spitball ideas - why not expand on the flightpath system? Add a functioning whistle back into the game and add “custom” flightpaths where you have more “nodes” on the map where you can fly to, that’d be a way to add more accessibility options to the game whilst also benefitting everyone (since a crucial element of it to be more seriously proposed you’d have to make it useful for the most amount of players and both of these systems would be practical for a lot more than just people who require additional help)

That sounds like a karen argument to me!

[Cayna-hyjal]

Thanks so much for the update!