1.12 AV is a huge, huge mistake

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Sure, if you can retain the zerg. However the early versions and all of the content that still existed between the entrances and the generals were not conducive to simply being ridden through. Players died, a lot. As players die to the NPCs, they get booted backwards to GY behind the zerg.

Desire to rush does not imbue an ability to rush. The early versions did not have people making a conscious decision (for the most part) to stop and fight over a GY or fight in midfield. It happened because people were dismounted, killed, bounced back across the map by the very content that your friend zyrius claims didn’t cause more PVP.

No, I do not think the mentality of the rush will not exist. What I believe is that the early version, all of that content that you claim is not content, especially the NPCs, is the best chance of deterring such mentality.

On the flip side, NOT having all of those speed bumps and spike strips will virtually guarantee that it will be zerged.

What i think you fail to understand about reinforcements is that they forced the zerg mentality. In reality most people really prefer to win and to fight. However when a game mechanic makes doing so impossible and or futile they give up.

Without reinforcements even the worst turtle can potentially be turned into a win. And that’s what happened in 1.12 AV.

It ends up being a player decision one way or the other. Instead of the map trying to force things one way or the other which is the problem with early AV as well as reinforcements.