I really dont understand whats wrong with mercy

[Alexisǃ-1278]

why are people still upset about mercy?

she just has a niche now, unlike before, and she is good at her niche unlike some heroes

mercy is 100% balanced and more engaging then she was when mass res was a thing, fun is subjective

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a little off topic but that junkrat buff is huge for mercy

[Alexisǃ-1278]

fun is subjective…

[Kryptsm-1905]

It is subjective. I agree. But if as many people are complaining as there are isn’t it worth looking in to?

Speaking as a non Mercy Main these days.

[NighthAwk-13514]

and more engaging then she was when mass res was a thing

Woah now, that’s a very dangerous thing to say in these parts. Better brace yourself…

[Ihnami-1515]

The character was always about pocketing people, then during moth meta was the only viable healer.

Now she is BALANCED and back to pocketing and everyone is scrambling for their rose colored goggles.

[Tonusu-21199]

Expected a junkrat thread. Disappointed (jk).

On topic: I guess because her playstyle have changed, and some people can’t accept that fact. But also, she feels like her niche is too narrow now, and every other healer feels better.

I flex to her very rarely, so I might not be the most appropriate one to judge.

[Minty-11551]

i’m not even gonna bother typing them out again!

@Alexisǃ-1278

why are people still upset about mercy?

@Minty-11551

mercy is doing fine stat wise we’re all aware of that but she has problems rez doesn’t work well with the rest of her kit and Valkyrie doesn’t change the state of the fight and it’s drawn out that’s why people find it boring

@Alexisǃ-1278

fun is subjective…

@Minty-11551

IMO fun in overwatch boils down to three things 1) mobility 2) flexibility (it means you can take a hero in any situation and manage to do your job relatively well) and 3) carry potential (look at any hero that’s well known for being fun they all have these three things)
mercy has excellent mobility and good flexibility but what she’s missing is some carry potential which she had w/ mercy 2.0 and mercy 1.0
so don’t balance her based on what one person finds interesting and fun but based on what we collectively as a community find interesting and fun!

[Lazypeon-1469]

I actually think the upcoming patch on the PTR will be a big boon for Mercy.

She performs better with damage dealers rather than tanks, and several damage dealer are receiving some pretty big buffs while other supports are being lowered a bit.

I find her fun. I think there are skme design choices that I don’t necessarily agree with, but I also recognize she’s not going to be drastically changed in the near future, if ever again. I liked both old and current mercy.

[Kryptsm-1905]

So just because blizzard doesn’t agree means we have to pack up and go home? And realize I’m not talking specifically about Mass Rez coming back, JUST about her not being fun in her current state.

And I honestly don’t think people who think shes not fun are a small portion. I talk to people on the forums, on reddit, on twitter, and even in person and all the ones who play Mercy agree that its a chore to play her and would much rather play Ana or Moira these days. I guess we’ll never know for sure but in my experience a lot of people are unhappy, so I won’t just “shut up and go home”.

[MakSoo-21294]

mercy is 100% balanced

maybe it’s balanced, but it’s definitely badly designed

does not offer anything remarkable compared to other healers, the ress makes you a stationary target and does not work in a team fight

[Kryptsm-1905]

No one except Mercy Mains agree that she’s not fun. You mean only the people that consistently play her don’t find her fun?? Weird lol. Mercy mains are the most important by far in terms of saying shes not fun or not. Why should a Genji main dictate if shes fun or not for the mains?

Also that’s a lie, I talk to loads of DPS mains since I play DPS and they all say they hate playing Mercy.

And personally I think it’s childish to obsess over a character in a video game like the mercy community does. The way they act about it you’d think it’s actually a living person

I mean that’s not an only Mercy main thing though. Everyone has obsessive people about their Hero, Mercy just for some reason has had the most mains over the years.

[Yara-11173]

This argument has to be ajoke by now. Subjective doesn’t mean it’s unreasonable. Saying Mercy is balanced when balance isn’t the problem is unreasonable. The Valkyrie feedback has been coming ever since the thing hit live and it was so powerful it broke the game. You wanna tell me “she’s balanced” is supposed to cover for that?

You know what else is subjective? Almost everything single darn thing about the game, because it’s a game not a math problem. If that’s your reasoning, stop complaining about nerfs, buffs, hero designs, skills, smurfing, throwing, the ladder, the OWL… After all, it’s subjective and shouldn’t be changed.

And also fork mass res. Valkyrie is busted on its own.

[Evenstar-21485]

Well I personally have a bunch of complaints. I know this is subjective, kind of a rant and entirely just my experience, not the objective truth - This is my perspective if you’re interested, I gave an answer here:

Jokes over take Mercy's training wheels off please

Well, my problem with Valkyrie is that it’s absolutely easy to outplay. A decent Widow will immediately shoot you down, so will a Bastion, if there’s a Bob, you’re dead, and I’ve been shot down by McCrees, Ashes, Soldiers, Hanzos, Orisas, even Reapers. Currently, as healers, I find Moira and Brigitte way easier to play. I don’t know. I used to be great. I don’t know if it’s all the changes or I just lost faith in my abilities and lost my nerve. But right now it feels like every time I pick Mer…

Also subjective but here’s one of my ideas how to rework her again:

Solution for Mercy

To present my ideas in a nutshell: 55 HPS healing Make Resurrect the ultimate. Three no casting time charges, nothing else. No Valkyrie and chain healing. Consequently, no rez on CD. Make the skill “Valkyrie” an E skill, some sort of Valkyrie suit burst which makes her able to boost. The following movement after activation will be boosted: horizontal movement will be faster, a jump will be an upward rush. So you have to press E and then move. I know this doesn’t sound much but believe me, this…

The key is, I would just like for her to be more enjoyable. Honestly, even if I got two, simple non-cancelable, non-casting time, instant resurrects as an ultimate, I would be okay with that. I know the three that I suggest sounds a lot at first, but the loss of chain healing also powers her down and in the face of Ana’s current ult and Baptiste, I think in this current environment it wouldn’t be overpowered.

A matter of subjective opinions, I guess.

Well, from me, that’s the gist of it. No angry ranting and biting your head off, please return the courtesy and don’t shout at me, it’s been a long and draining day.

leaves cookies on the table

If anyone else also had such a day, here. Don’t fight. Just take a cookie.

points towards fridge

There’s also beer in the fridge.

[MakSoo-21294]

Mercy Survey - Results

After a week of number crunching and a bachelor’s degree in Excel, here are the results of the Mercy Survey I conducted a while back. (Note: I am still working on this, particularly on the actual written portions, which is why you won’t see much of that mentioned here. I didn’t want to make you guys wait longer than necessary, so this thread is to get you guys the main results as well as just get the public CSV out there. I’ll also say this here and at the end. If you’re interested in somethin…

[Åvacyn-1981]

Mercy’s issue is she has no individual impact or direct impact. All of her impact is enabling her team mates which means your rely fully on your team. She’s balanced when it comes to teams for scrims or pro play, but in ladder she is weak because let’s be honest, most of ladder is working with random people which isn’t the most organized. While I don’t think Mercy is in a horrible state, I think giving her more of an oomf factor would be much better for her. It would be much more rewarding to play, which in turn would make her more “fun”.

[Leewo-1537]

I am upset because she is still being indirectly nerfed without giving her anything back to help her.

What I mean is that it’s easier than ever to cancel her res now – oh boy I guess I can just forget E exists.
And the dmg amp change lowers her skill ceiling.
The valk thing is a bug and isn’t nearly enough to cancel out the boop thing.

Sorry guys my 50hps will not safe you but I also won’t res you cause that’s pointless too – great support btw. And pharah? Hi yeah I used to be able to heal you and dmg boost you but now you are just going to be only getting healed K? Yeah you are even more garbage because of me sorry.

I am not even upset about her kit anymore – I gave up the moment when my idea for her new E showed up on Baptiste. I am upset about how her balance is being handled. “sHE Is BaLanCed” – meanwhile getting another nerf even if not intention a nerf is a nerf.

[Åvacyn-1981]

Side note : People found mass rez more fun because it gave her some oomf and felt rewarding because you worked to get your ult vs getting valk which is not a bad ult but its nothing to blush about either. Ps not saying we need mass rez back but just using an example of what feels rewarding/fun.

[Quest-11845]

Today I learned different people enjoy different things and what is enjoyable for one isnt necessarily enjoyable for others.

Cool stuff.

[LeotheLion25-1331]

People still call her a bot and yet they still want her more than Moira. I get yelled at to switch off Moira a lot in my GM games. They rather have Lucio/Ana/Mercy than a Moira.

That is why I hoped they buff Moira and they did but they didn’t make Fade 5 seconds. Moira will still be bad in GM and at least Mercy has utility.

[Kryptsm-1905]

Sounds to me like they can’t handle it when mercy is actually balanced

Yikes, the age old argument that makes no sense. Even when you people cried that she was broken we said we didn’t think she was fun. How do you explain that?

The only times they thought she was fun was when she was broken (Rez ult, broken OP valk)

So she was broken with Rez Ult even back when she was considered a throw pick? K bud. Thats not how that works. Even when I got yelled at for playing Mercy I thought she was at least fun. That’s why I picked her despite being yelled at.

Also I’ve never seen a more self entitled group of ppl who have this “woe is me!” mentality. No other group of mains of any other character acts this childish and self pitying like the mercy community does

No other community has gone through what the Mercy community has though. I’m not saying most of the behavior is warranted but not every community has the same stuff happen to their hero. Its like saying “Look how good the Tracer community is! Why can’t Mercy players be more like them!” When Tracer has statistically been one of the best heroes throughout the entire life of Overwatch.