I have no idea. I’m just asking what happens what the game does in the situation you already have the cards the opponent has.
The same thing happened with the petroleum companies. They have known that burning oil products destroys Our environment since the 1960’s.
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Then you are the deck they put others against in the hope of buying cards.
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There is a significant problem with legend players being matched against as low as silver from my experience. They need to implement mmr matching floors AT the rank barriers imo.
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I reckon it doesn’t. Some 90+% of patents are never actually implemented, and instead are filed so that the competitors of a company in question don’t use the technology. You’re jumping to conclusions by assuming that not only is the tech described in the patent applicable to HS, but that it is also being used and that doing so behind players’ backs is worth the potential risks.
Again, you’re jumping to conclusions and making even more assumptions. Just because Blizzard filed for a patent five years ago that was described to match new players versus marquee ones with better gear in a FPA game doesn’t mean Blizzard is rigging matchups in HS in as many ways as they can.
No, it isn’t clear. If it were then there’d be hard evidence (or at least a reasonably sized group of the fanbase that notices it). As it stands there is literally no hard proof despite millions of publicly recorded games and despite the data gathering tools available to players. If it were “clear” to people then I can assure you players would have done something, just as they did with Animal Companion and Nat Pagle.
And this is all near-baseless conjecture.
None, hence the reason this isn’t the system that’s used.
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Nope. that part at the very end MAY be conjecture, however the rest of it is pretty much straight off of the patent information.
@kUHJAHH716
infinity always (and i do mean ALWAYS) defends Blizzard no matter what it is.
This kind of matching system would never be proven with 3rd party software and it doesn’t have to affect every single game being played. People like Infinity could not live life knowing that the possibility that a computer AI is responsible for 50% of their wins…
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I know Sorrow…
…Just think of me as Pavlov…
and I’m ringing that bell…
Look at the way people jump up to defend…
kinda like Pavlov’s dog salivatin’ when he heard that bell.
and that’s how you troll.
I also kinda like to think of it as giving them something to fill their day with.
Isn’t that nice of me to help people feel productive! 
Except no part of the patent was explicitly related to card games, and the only description they gave of an application of the patent would be in a FPS game, not a CCG. Everything ranging from the assumption that this tech is applicable to Hearthstone up to the suggestion that they are even using this patent in the first place, is conjecture.
So… Either you can’t read, or your memory is poor, because we’ve had this exact conversation before. I have plenty criticisms of Blizz, but don’t take kindly to faulty logic and near-baseless conjecture.
Eh, not really. I signed up for RNG-take-the-wheel when I downloaded HS. What I don’t get is how people can describe a system like this:
And fail to realize that the system they’re describing is literally no different from a random system. If your matchups diverge more from the norm than they should, and such a trend is obvious to the naked eye, then it should be quantifiable. If it can’t be quantified then it can’t be proven, and if it can’t be quantified or proven, then there’s literally no legitimate reason to believe it.
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So why I’m not matched against players with basic deck only? I have all cards that they only could want.
Be careful what you write. At least if you like posting here. I just found out I got temporarily banned for a post similar to yours. And that was without naming anyone in particular.
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Not is YOU that fails to realize that said system COULD in fact be rigged period. No 3rd party website would or could ever prove it as well only the actual MMR programing would show us the truth and Blizzard has made sure to not share that with us.
You can’t prove anything yet you act like you can and are when in reality you are not.
If you can’t answer that question then you are not seeing the big picture (or don’t want to see it)…
I’ve admitted since day 1 that it’s always possible that the game could be rigged. My entire point (also since day 1) is that there’s a scientific way of going about coming to conclusions and developing opinions when it comes to things like this, and my posts have all been attempts to show people why anecdotal evidence and personal, biased experience have no place in it.
Care to explain the “could”/“would” comment? Like I said before, if the rigging were obvious then it would have caught the attention of the community at large, and if it’s different from a perfectly random system then there would be measurable differences on a macro scale (otherwise, by definition, there is no reason to believe it is anything but random).
Again, we don’t need this. Otherwise you’re suggesting that there’s literally no need for a majority of what the entire field of statistics is used for. If it’s noticeable, then it should be quantifiable. If it’s quantifiable, then it’s possible to demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt (even without the source code) that something is occurring. This doesn’t just apply to HS, but to literally any scientific endeavor where you’re trying to convince yourself or someone else of a particular phenomenon.
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The kind of rigging the algorithm would detail can’t be found on any 3rd person web site as it would be random and with no real pattern. You yourself can’t even give any evidence to support the fact that they are NOT rigging the game other then we can’t so it must be untrue.
Your being a simpleton in regards to this AI when in reality it is anything but simple. this kind of system would not go into effect for every single match, it would be totally random and not go after the same person every single game.
The VAST majority of players would never even notice anything it would be so subtle (for if it was not why do it). Only those players who actually pay attention would see a pattern but because it was totally random in who and how it rigged the matching noone could ever prove it.
Statistics is only the beginning and not the end and with a system like the patent talks about would be totally ransom in who it chooses to use and thus no amount of stats would prove that.
Stats is also the only mathematical formula that can prove exactly what the person wants depending on how and who does the stats. Polls are based off stats and we all know how stupid those are…
Stats is a poor man’s way of trying to prove something that they have no proof for. While it can help to finally find physical proof it can never replace physical proof because it is way to easily manipulated.
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Saying you don’t always lose because of bad luck and then stating you lose to RNG, Bad draw and luck from your opponent. Do you even realize you contradicted yourself within the same sentence? Then you go on to sing your own praises. No offense, but you’re ridiculous and the opposite of how I image a good player. Bottom line, I don’t see good players thinking the game they play is rigged against them, and that goes for every game out there. your post sounds like crying to me, I’m not hear to wipe your tears neither is the forum, you should know better.
What u even talking about? You lost boi, what u know about good play? Read again mabey you understand, I never said it’s rigged neither, u put word in my mouth
Again does not matter what anyone thinks as I will continue to believe the game is using an algorithm that at the least gives an advantage to certain players at certain times.
I know that that dark matter exists (even though there is no proof)
I know that Pluto is still a planet regardless of what a bunch of nerds say about it.
I know people actually think drinking disinfectant can cure covid-19 all because of 1 stupid man.
I know that certain chemicals can cause cancer even when there is no actual proof that they do.
I also know that this game uses what i will call for profit algorithm to try and get people to spend money.
Also do you believe in God? If so why there is no actual evidence he exists cept some book(s) written in the past no actual physical proof what so ever.
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Then, by definition, there is literally no difference between this rigged system and a random one.
To the contrary, I’ve provided exactly all the proof I need to refute the “game is rigged” claim per the bounds established by Hitchens’ Razor and the scientific burden of proof. As long as the evidence offered by those making a claim is nonexistance (or in this case anecdotal), I can sufficiently refute that claim with an equally nonexistent or anecdotal amount of evidence.
If it’s as complex as you suggest then it shouldn’t be obvious to the naked eye in general, much less on a game-by-game basis. If Blizzard has invested so much into the supposed algorithm that even the best data collection and analysis methods can’t differentiate it from a perfectly random system, then I fail to see how they neglected to make it “hidden” enough that no one could log in and notice it in the games they play.
It’s either a pattern or random. Pick one.
Or maybe the vast minority of players are merely susceptible to basic human impulse and tend to find random patterns where there are none. This well-documented psychological phenomenon, coupled with basic probability, means that some people will inevitably come to the conclusion that the game is rigged based on their own games and despite having no hard evidence to support their opinion. There is an extreme minority “game is rigged” community in every game, and none of them can prove how their imagined system is different from a random one. I wonder why that’s the case?
And again, if there’s literally no statistical difference between the distribution of the games you play and a perfectly random distribution, there is no reason to believe the game is rigged.
So are you saying that statistics are completely useless and that no one should ever trust anything involved in stats?
Or are you just trying to denounce the importance of an entire field of study because its use doesn’t favor your position?
“Poor man”? It is literally the go-to means of approximating things that we can’t inspect directly, regardless of field of study. Statistics are the bread and butter of everything from economics to hard sciences like biology and physics. Statistics is the best means of demonstrating that something is having an impact on a certain phenomenon, and it’s a great way to have concrete proof for an otherwise baseless position. Suggesting that it’s a “poor man’s” anything is an insult to academia and a show of how little you understand about the scientific method.
Hence the reason you establish numerous controls and account for the inevitable bias. Yes statistics can be manipulated to demonstrate different messages, but that only works on people who have no experience interpreting data and as such can’t inspect the glaring holes that inevitably pop up when you do manipulate statistics.
There is proof dark matter exists. What we don’t know is exactly what it is. Big difference.
You’re actually just factually incorrect on this one. It’s on the same scale as anti-vaxxers saying they “know what’s best for their children” despite what medical professionals say.
Pluto is, by definition, not a planet. Your opinion doesn’t stack up against the opinions of experts.
How do you know he’s wrong? All we know is “what a bunch of nerds say about it”.
If certain chemicals were carcinogenic then there’d likely be increased cases of cancer in people who are exposed to it. If there is literally no difference in the number and distribution of cases between populations that are and aren’t exposed to the chemical, then I don’t see why you’d have any reason to believe the chemical is carcinogenic. If there is a difference then you do have actual proof, even if it isn’t enough to serve as a basis for a lawsuit.
I’m open to the existence of a higher power but do not believe in any specific one for the reasons you laid out. Things get pretty messed up when people start believing in things despite an utter lack of proper evidence.
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Maybe we’re all right.
At first I thought matches were truly random, but I feel that lately decks that counter my own have shown up a lot (yes I read that 3 year old article posted in this thread saying they do not look at cards. 3 years is a lot for change to occur behind the scenes). I feel that as of lately, I’ve experienced what the OP has talked about, when switching classes you’ll see different decks against you.
It’s really hard to prove it. But I really am thinking it’s not all as random as people say. And you know what? It would make sense. Blizzard doesn’t want you making easy 10 gold or ranking that quickly. Pay up. Make a better deck.
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