Do you guys really need to make this conversation about data accuracy? Just log in and play, see for yourself how many Tony Druids there are. See how helpless most decks are against it.
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Data disproves this though and I haven’t seen a Tony Druid anywhere near Legend or my climb there.
Edit: 8% of my 147 games have been against Druid. And I haven’t seen Tony played once.
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I had the joy of playing against this deck for the first time today. 10 mana on Turn 5. Despite my best efforts to push through their armor and force an answer to my board state, the Druid easily out-armored my damage and stole my entire deck by Turn 8. At least I managed to stall them out a couple of turns. Fun and interactive gameplay for sure.
I really don’t want to sound like I am rank shaming or anything (I really am not). But I think the obvious reason behind this discrepancy between ladder experiences is because you are playing at a different MMR. I ignore what ranks Chiapet usually plays at, but if it’s a higher MMR, his climb to legend will be against the very sweaty top legend players that are all spamming Tony druid. You might just be seeing a different meta.
Which is fine, just pointing that out to say that there’s no need to discredit the fact that Tony druid is broken and being a huge problem in other parts of the meta. Personally, I hit legend today with Tony Druid on a 61% WR since reset and I only found 2 other Tony druids; so I agree the experience can vary entirely. My climb was full of hunters, but my legend is full of druids.
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I hit legend in the first 3 days of the update my friend and have hit legend in every season I’ve played in since Ungoro.
I regularly hit high legend end of season on my EU and US accounts.
If his data is coming from top 100 legend then his data isn’t valid to 99.9999% of the playerbase anyway so it makes no difference.
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Again, I wasn’t rank shaming, please don’t take offense on that comment. I know you are legend. I was referring to MMR exclusively. With the frequency of Tony druid at very high MMRs it would just be surprising if you haven’t encountered it yet and you were at very high MMR. The deck is everywhere. So, I assume Chiapet is experiencing a meta of a higher MMR than yourself. In any case, I am pretty sure you will encounter the deck eventually and see for yourself what all the fuss is about
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Chia isn’t top 1000 legend, and I say this with the utmost respect because I agree with a lot of his comments.
If he was he would know that the only reason Tony is good at top legend is that it’s a hard counter to everyone’s favourite deck at that level which is Enrage Warrior, and was even before the reset.
At top 1000, people don’t complain, they just adapt, which is a huge part of being a top 1000 legend player in the first place.
Anyone at legend now in the US is probably in the top 4-5k players unless HS is significantly more popular than I imagine. When I hit legend in EU a few days ago I was 840
Edit: just lost to Tony Druid at 1700 legend. Hahahaha
See. Just because I see things before everyone else starts seeing it doesn’t mean I’m wrong. Just means my personal pocket meta is different than yours. I’ve been in the “Tony Druid only” pocket all day long.
Maybe we can argue that since there’s like 2 decks that have a half decent win rate against it that it is “okay”. But, look, the topic devolved quickly into win rates and data, and IDGAF about any of that.
I just am tired of watching druids scam the same exact garbage every game.
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it’s probably even more broken in wild. right now you can OTK people on turn 4 with tony druid. it needs to be nerfed ASAP.
I’m convinced the modern HS meta is a social experiment on game theory.
You queue into a Tony druid and you have two options… if you play the game out you have a very small chance at victory, but if you immediately concede your win probability goes to 0. It’s more efficient to just concede and queue up another game, but if everyone did that the ladder would quickly be 80%+ Druids, which means it’d actually be game theory optimal to uninstall and not give Blizzard any more of your hard earned money.
Druid and Warlock scams function in wild where they are kept in check by equally scummy scam decks like shudderwock, various priest decks, otks.
But in standard it’s impossible to ‘‘allow’’ one class to have a scam deck like this, it just ruins the entire game
I doubt that it’s a deliberate experiment. But a social experiment doesn’t have to be deliberate to be a social experiment.
No, HSR’s data is subject to something known as selection bias. Only those using their app are recorded.
VS is MUCH more accurate as it removes said bias by not using the players deck, but the opponents deck.
TL;DR: More competitive players are more likely to run a deck tracker, significantly influencing the data if you report on THEM. Reporting on THEIR OPPONENT removes this.
The VS method is FAR more accurate, and their data has far more often reflected Blizzards (on the rare occasions that Blizz reports their data) tahn ANYTHING found on HSR.
Back to school with you.
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Any card that starts for 1+ mana, should never cost (0)
Not to mention, I wish they’d stop trying to make (0) cost cards period. They just can’t seem to find any sort of balance no matter what they do. I’m not talking about penguins, I’m talking about cards like Mana Bloom (the Druid/Shammy card), for example.
This is interesting, but it’s all to be proven that using the opponent’s deck instead of that of the player makes the data FAR more reliable as you’re stating.
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Can you concede that high information players who only (mostly) play on pc would be adding a plugin to their tracker to help out VS? That their users are very far from the typical player?
For example, a not insignificant number of the games that they show for D4-legend are the same players that end up legend and even top 1k legend, suggesting that their numbers in those areas are very much skewed towards making decks look better than they might be for the typical player of that ranking. Before you tell me HSReplay has the same issue, it doesn’t have the same small pool of players and it is tracking decks directly.
The self selection issue is magnified because they use opponent data and then they use an algo to guess at decks and then they use another transformation to calculate win rates (I will have to go look it up and I can link it if you aren’t familiar with it)…taking us further from the win rate of a known deck each game.
Not to say their numbers have no value, but the truth is likely somewhere other than either HSreplay or VS, so when they are in conflict it’s very important to try to figure out why.
Why not just compare info shared between HSR and VS, average the two?
LMAO one day after I make a post about Druids (that gets derailed because ya’ll don’t actually play), Jailer gets banned because of tony druid.
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Welp.
Jailer banned from play until they nerf druid. RIP druid, see you next expansion with whatever new greedy thing we can abuse! 
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I legit pogged, good riddance. Maybe they’ll think of a way for Druid to play games that aren’t “I did nothing impactful for 5-7 turns but now you lose.” For now we still have Drum Druid, though.
EDIT: Personally I would’ve banned Tony, at least Jailer is 10 mana and comes with a distinct penalty of setting you into Fatigue. Tony basically only operates in a toxic game plan.
EDIT 2: Not reading all of the secondhand ego stroking over data analytics in this thread, but even if you didn’t see many Tony Druids, it still warps the meta and changes the decks that people play. Control Priests became way more common for me over the last few days because Whirlpool and Ruin are some quality ways to clear a Jailer board. So even though I only faced 3 Tony Druids in the last 24 hours, the effects were very real.
If Control warrior becomes 60% of my games again I’m ready to dust off my Mill druid list in Standard. Similar cards as Tony Jailer druid, similar amounts of degeneracy 
I just wanna see control decks suffer lol
Would have also done the job, but Jailer is actually a very strong finisher even without Tony. I guess Jailer is a sure way to kill the deck until nerfs, and Jailer is the older card of the two.