Seems pretty irrelevant what deck you run, Druids are playing Solitaire right now in every game. They didn’t even need Auctioneer, that was just a bonus way for them to accelerate their game plan. Druid has more than enough methods to draw through their deck without it, so all that did was make them adapt.
Play a slow deck? They’re on 10 mana when you’re on 5, good luck.
Play a fast deck? You can get lucky with hyper aggro, but it usually can’t keep up.
Play a huge minion in the mid game? Yogg steals it.
Go wide? Yogg board wipe.
Hit the Druid hard? Armors for more than armor Warrior.
I’m not following how this is healthy for the game. Yogg is truly the answer to every issue Druid had, but I can’t point a finger at the Titan. No…
Today’s issue is how many cards a druid can play a turn. 5+ 0 cost card plays a turn, and mana refreshing should they use up their mana. Solitaire, and it isn’t fun to watch.
I am spamming the heck out of this deck and having a lot of fun; but I have to agree. This deck clearly needs urgent intervention. I think it could have surged even before the miniset, since it doesn’t really care much about the lashers. Yogg is a major issue because you just can’t get under it. The frost lotus buff, solar eclipse, Yogg, Embrace of Nature. Those are all cornerstones of the deck and are prime nerf targets imo.
They could just Rework either Jailer or Tony and Druid would have nothing of importance to do with all its ramp and draw; but to be honest I feel having an OTK like this that counters Control hard is a good thing. It just should be a lot more vulnerable to aggro and it really isn’t.
As long as Druid has no Board Clears, the Class will be forced into a state of having solely ‘annoying’ archetypes.
The lack of Board Clears in today’s game means that the only way for your Class to be viable, is by ‘cheating’ the game in some way. To get ahead of your opponent and make up for your lacking attribute.
At this point, i call for Druid to be given a Board Clear so more design space can be opened regarding the Class.
Zok Druid was deemed toxic.
Drum Druid was/is deemed toxic.
Tony Druid is deemed toxic
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and it won’t stop until the Class has Board Clears to restrict it into playing ‘fair’.
I get the ‘not every Class needs a Board Clear’ argument. But things are completely different in today’s game.
According to HReplay stats in top legend, Tony druid’s worst matchup is mech rogue, with a 50% WR. It is a deck that gets worse the higher you are in ladder because it is hard to pilot effectively. Which means that if you think Tony druid is a bad deck you are the worse player between you and OP.
I brought out my mech rogue deck into druid, and they have answers to it.
1: They’re running starfish.
2: They can Yogg steal your big magnetized mech.
3: They basically end the game by turn 6.
Don’t get me wrong, I can win, but it has to be a hyper fast snowball. Can’t win on a normal hand.
It’s the reason you will see me talk about my own play experiences instead of citing data. I agree that HSR is inaccurate, and VS is accurate, and VS takes much longer to have data available.
Going to a forum and discussing our play experiences has merit while we wait for the VS report.
Just one thing, hs replay data is from thousands and thousands of players that use their deck tracking app, whether vs data for as long as we know could even be extracted from their own imagination.
Hs replay, in the paid version, and not in the bronze to gold unreliable one, is far far better and more accurate than anything else but blizzard sheets.
Vs uses data from both Firestone and HSReplay if I’m not mistaken. It is definitely the most refined statistical analysis there is. Their personal takes you can agree or disagree, however, but their data is definitely worth a lot.
The stats in websites mean nothing because the matchmaking depends on what you are playing so the sites will always provide you false info, it’s literally impossible for them to provide accurate and meaningful data
It’s not trolling it’s a fact you just haven’t played long enough to see it, in fact you trying to defend the websites is actually trolling because they don’t provide any accurate or meaningful data at all
VS uses all of the data that HSR does and more, larger sample size. VS also interprets the data in different ways, for example they calculate some statistics differently. (An argument for the VS method of winrate calculation can be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/f3661g/why_actual_winrate_data_is_flawed_and_why/ )
I don’t think the superiority of VS is subjective. I consider it an objective fact.