Will they though? Street Hockey could be harder.
It’s hard to compare them. They’re just different.
When in doubt go to the Brevik says okay. The same number of drops sure, your visibility to the drops drops by 7/8 in full group on screen… that is a loss of drops… you can not argue against that so you redirect.
I can’t tell what your arguing you shift depending on what I say… so it’s more difficult but doesn’t change the game play somehow, has the same drops but can’t based on what I said, like you just shift from one to another and not actually acknowledge what people say.
Sorry I’ll shut up, it’s just frustrating because it’s impossible to move on when nothing is acknowledged.
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I actually made that argument to demonstrate why personal loot was more difficult.
See:
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Can you please respond to the core of my argument properly, this is getting tiring man, honestly. To be frank, it is starting to get kind of sad…
You’re just talking about “chance” for drops. Pulling the lever on the slot machine doesn’t make anything harder, that’s a variance in chance to get something. Two old ladies fighting for the coins that dropped from the machine, now that’s both hilarious and a higher difficultly rating,
Thank you, someone else that is getting frustrated of arguing with a wall that doesn’t acknowledge what you are actually saying. Man, oh man…
Wish someone who actually acknowledged the real topic at hand here.
What do you want me to say? I disagree with the core of your argument and have explained why.
In terms of players wanting increased drop rates that will happen irrespective of the loot system since total drops do not change.
I have left out a discussion about variance but have discussed that already.
I think you should see the counterarguments to your idea in this thread
I cant belive i have to explain this, people dont mf alone becuase they dont “want to share” - Diablo II: Resurrected / General Discussion - Diablo 3 Forums (blizzard.com)
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It’s called “Moving The Goal Post”. It’s a logical fallacy.
I’m pretty sure he muted me so don’t know how much enters the echochamber anymore. I just think of this, okay you open a baal portal in throne room, people rush in, each person who enters, stays within screen distance, especially with the new res, so anyone regardless of movement or participation is leeching drops.
Doesn’t sound too bad they are there too. However they could do nothing. You suddenly just start seeing your drops stop coming, each new person slicing your visibility. Now anyone not helping becomes the ire of looks… you don’t keep up why are you even here. At least before you could hostile, or they just couldn’t stay close enough to get the drops.
These things will happen, they can still leech, it’s about who you play with.
EDIT: I feel this will promote 8 man games, sure, but each man will always want to go separate, it just feels better seeing tons of things hitting the ground.
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I am glad to see you understand the concern. I do not even have a problem with people not contributing if they are increasing the chances of better gear and I get to see everything that dropped. Like, thanks for the Xp bonus and % to drop chance increase, for that, you also get a chance to grab the loot even though you did not contribute.
On the contrary, with personal loot, it just cuts into your visibility of the drops with 0% chance of picking it up.
You get it, no need to explain.
I am confused, did you read the thread you linked? That person is clearly for keeping loot the same without personal loot if I am not mistaken.
Correct. You should read the wealth of counterargument replies.
Personally, I want the option to select either FFA or personal loot. I do not want to force my preference on anyone else.
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Sure, only if they are separate servers entirely.
When you get tired of seeing 1/8 of the gear you used to drop and get bored and beg for high loot drop %. I want absolutely no part in that and would uninstall the game immediately. As well as not purchase Diablo 4 because all hope is lost for me and Diablo franchise at that point.
Agreed.
And with the amount if insults and vitriol in this forum and others about a simple optional change, I could care less if they have to make a separate realm to appease the hardliners at this point. I just want a game mode where I can help people in hell difficulty, and not have to worry about pickit users joining.
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You would uninstall the game if people have the option to play personal loot, but not their own realm, or if they forced you to play with personal loot?
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The buff to drop rates to appease people would cause him too…
I mean, I’ll be honest, if they buffed drops significantly I would probably not play that version. I like drop rates as is.
I know we agree on that. I really can’t even stand the idea of being forced to play with personal loot honestly lol. As far as mixing the players with a toggle upon game creation. I am not really sure, but my gut says keep it seperate.
It is ok that your gut says to keep it separate, I just don’t think it would ever be something to uninstall the game if you actually like D2.
You could completely ignore personal loot games, it doesn’t have much of an influence on the economy, and by most metrics, would actually give an economic advantage to FFA players.
I just don’t get the logic.
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I don’t like playing games with nothing else to do. I need incentive to grind for that equipment, because the grinding part is boring as f***. The competing for grabbing loot is fun though.
I like to make builds and find gear to compliment them. But when the gear doesn’t exist or you’re stuck in an endless power loop… F*** that… I don’t want no Freemium type gameplay…
I would play the game if I was forced to play with personal loot because I do love this game. I would work around it if I had to. But if the game feels bad and people need to see more loot drop on their screens to compensate (increase drop % after game is released). That will make me uninstall.
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