So do we want more changes or not?

[haters-1528]

Money.

How you think the salaries of the developer teams who will end up creating 2 different versions of the game are going to be paid for huh?

[Jani-2764]

@MicroRNA-1507

Please note that I said that it does not need to be two distinct realms just based ion a trivial difference in trade economy.

@MicroRNA-1507

I prefer to keep more options open (FFA, personal loot, or flip it up on a game creation level).

Ahh pls again very weak try.

[MicroRNA-1507]

Blizzard presumably is releasing D2R to keep interest in the diablo franchise as D3 has aged and D4’s release is far way. If D4 were releasing this year, D2R would not.

[MicroRNA-1507]

My views are far more nuanced than that. Please quote it all and not some snippet out of context. I also clealry state keeping it separate is also possible.

@MicroRNA-1507

These could be separated into two distinct realm but I do not think it is worth it just based on what appears to me a trivial difference in item economy.

I still believe that if the only factor was the item economy and that was the only change between a strict remaster and modern realm was the additional of optional personal loot, then separate realms would not be necessary, if the pro/anit-ploot advocatess could coexist.

[Jani-2764]

@MicroRNA-1507

Please quote it all and not some snippet out of context.

@MicroRNA-1507

prefer to keep more options open (FFA, personal loot, or flip it up on a game creation level).

@MicroRNA-1507

I would envision it working something similar to when someone opens a game to the public in D3. Instead of selecting rifts, greater rifts, key warden, or bounties, the game creator sets the loot mode.

Out of context. Yeah right. You wrote you prefer changes (loot type)on game creation level and not on realm level. You was not talking from economy. This is still very weak lie Micro.

[MicroRNA-1507]

You stilll have not quoted things in context. The post reads in full:

@MicroRNA-1507

things I think I think

1. I think if we make total drops constant (single and multiplayer between personal and FFA loot), there will not be much difference in the item economy.
2. For solo games, there would be no difference whatsoever for the item economy, irrespective of the loot drop system.
3. Counterintuitively in multiplayer games, the personal loot economy will likely have slightly less high-tier items in the economy.
4. Although some play exclusively solo or multiplayer, I think a high percentage switch it up.
5. If it turned out there was slightly greater imbalance in the item economy in multiplayer games (by let’s say 5% due to FFA vs. personal) that what I anticipate, this overall difference is brought percent-wise closer to even for the item economy as a whole (but of course would not be even), since this item economy has solo player game items, too.
6. Any difference in the item economy that does exist likely will be insignificant in comparison to the change in the item economy due to the transition to modern battlenet. Battlenet should eliminate duping and reduce botting (I hope) so, the economy is undergoing a major change. In comparison, FFA versus personal loot is small potatoes in comparison.

Conclusions

Overall I do not believe that there will be significant difference in the item economy between FFA and personal loot. These could be separated into two distinct realm but I do not think it is worth it just based on what appears to me a trivial difference in item economy. As these forums illustrate, people are quite passionate about FFA and personal loot games.

I think that there is another “loot-agnostic” population that might like to switch back and forth for various reasons. It could simply be try the loot both systems out or just for game variety. I prefer to keep more options open (FFA, personal loot, or flip it up on a game creation level). Ultimately players will tend to self-segregate based on their own loot system preference but there is no need to enforce an obligatory separation.

[TanisGunthar-1764]

While I wouldn’t mind personal loot, I think the biggest changes I want (outside of the key rebinds we didn’t get for beta ) are just some balance updates, and a modern take on ladders to not gate the content so much, especially with the removal of tcp/ip.

Console wise though…I’d love to see more opinions from console players, as I think personal loot and charm inventory would be the big two there, outside of actually having lobbies, since it seems the console versions of D2R are running off of the D3 checkpoint system for multiplayer.

[Jani-2764]

And you still talking from loot and not from economy. 1 post but you talking from 2 seperate things. The truth is that you are exposed flipp/flopp guy and trying to hide behind the usual “out of context” thin excuse.

[Spekkio-1591]

@MicroRNA-1507

In terms of the question about the loot system, 39% of respondents wanted to keep the game FFA only. The rest were either unsure (12%) or wanted one of 2 personal loot options.

I thought you’d either go back to the poll or say something about that said “no” to changes no longer being a factor, which would also be true, but we have no idea from that how many people want no changes at all - probably not many. You can’t gather that much from the poll, but taking it at face-value you can get a general idea of which are the most divisive.

You can interpret the question about personal-loot however you want and I have constantly seen people debate it even though it’s pretty black and white to me. Again, there’s no reason to believe there would be a caveat attached to personal-loot so the results for me are: 52% No, 39% Yes, and 12% “I’m not sure” in a poll where people just seemingly clicked “yes” to everything.

Why have another realm and make everything optional when they could just do that on a single realm? I don’t know, I don’t see it, no offense. Everybody will be on the modern realm, and every game may be a little different with different options enabled. I don’t think anybody is/was expecting that. How is something like a charm inventory even an option as well? That affects balance. Maybe the charm inventory part isn’t optional and everybody has it? This is more complex than what I believe VV/Blizz have in mind. If they announce something like that it better be soon because you know some people will be asking for a refund, they always do.

[MicroRNA-1507]

You are correct in that I have changed my view. I initially thought that either optional changes at game or character creation was doable. I have refined that either/or position to favoring separate realms, because it became clear to me that this issue was so contentious, resulting in way too much hostility.

[MicroRNA-1507]

@Spekkio-1591

52% No, 39% Yes, and 12% “I’m not sure” in a poll

I would not believe your poll results that sum to 103%.

[Spekkio-1591]

52% “no” 36% “yes” 12% “I’m not sure”.

is this finally right?

[MicroRNA-1507]

@Spekkio-1591

51% “yes” 36% “no” 13% “I’m not sure”, even better!

Except that was not the result of the poll. What I said was accurate. What you said is not.

@MicroRNA-1507

In terms of the question about the loot system, 39% of respondents wanted to keep the game FFA only. The rest were either unsure (12%) or wanted one of 2 personal loot options.

[Spekkio-1591]

How is “Yes, but only if there is a tradeoff” wanting personal-loot?

[MicroRNA-1507]

@Spekkio-1591

“Yes, but only if there is a tradeoff” wanting personal-loot?

I think the first word of this quote gives you the answer of why these counts as yes votes. I explicitly stated that the addition of a personal loot option was in two categories.

@MicroRNA-1507

The rest were either unsure (12%) or wanted one of 2 personal loot options.

[Jani-2764]

Its ok i get what you want to say flipp/flopp Micro. Next time before your write something try to remember what have lied back then. Post hide wont helping you.

[Spekkio-1591]

“No, not unless there is a tradeoff” means the same thing, just worded differently.

[MicroRNA-1507]

@Jani-2764

what have lied back then

I have provided the quotes myself in full for everyone to see. I will let the truth of my words speak for themselves.

[Lofty-1607]

I would prefer no changes, I enjoy the game as is.

[MicroRNA-1507]

That is still a yes. A double negative is a positive.

@Spekkio-1591

No, not unless