Where have I expressed my hate for DW? I loved the way Frost played in Legion. My only complaint for it is the fact that it went way too far away from the “Death” part of Death Knight. With FF and Ghoul being baseline, that fantasy is there. The only reason I want 2h to be good is because I swap between Blood, Unholy and Frost a lot. Having 1 weapon for all 3 being swappable is just a huge QOL change. That’s why Legion being DW exclusive felt fine because Artifacts helped that issue immensely. If Blizz doesn’t go the way of making 2h unique, that’s fine. I’d prefer it but I’m only one individual.
Slap an attack speed buff and a new rune combining FC and Razorice. 2h’s problems are solved. No DW nerfs needed.
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Agreed. I would love to off spec blood and Unholy. 2h Frost makes that much… Much easier. Also, having to fine two good weapons for DW is so annoying to me. I always end up with one weapon 20+ ilvls above the other.
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Then people need to get better ideas. I’m not shifting any goal posts either and I am going to stand by what I have put forward. Is there a problem with it? If so I haven’t seen anyone have any issue with what I have proposed to bring them in line. The only thing I have seen is “it doesn’t have to be that way, we can do these 50 other changes instead of 2 to accomplish the same thing!”
You have to fix the actual issue, what is it about also increasing the ppm of km after the change do you not understand? It would be nerfing DW to buff everything to a good level. I also think you are trying to say 2 different things are the same. You can just add crit chance to 2h though it won’t really do anything. You however can’t just go into the km formula and increase the chance of one weapon or the other since they use the same variables.
What reason do you think they can change it based on the weapon? Because wowhead says something? It’s attack power, weapon dps, and the spec damage aura that goes into its calculation. But sure, let’s just make it harder to balance because that worked out like a dream before.
I don’t really care what you would like, I’ll call them 2h supporters.
Fortunately, for my personal preferences, Bliz does not appear to agree with you and felt the need to try to add 2h Frost back.
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Doesn’t agree with me on what?
I admire the tenacity you guys have to continue arguing. It’s impressive.
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Haha, Im sitting at home bored holding a sleeping 3 month old…
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Seeing value in adding 2h Frost back…
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And where is this argument coming from exactly other than you pulling it from who knows where?
Huh?.. Need more detail to make sense of that question.
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It’s not a hard question to follow.
It is, actually. Its rather open ended.
If youre actually asking why Bliz sees value in adding 2h Frost back in the game… Well… Because they just added 2h Frost back into the game.
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“It doesn’t have to be this way, we can do these 50 other changes instead of 2”, you’re right. Increase attack speed when using a 2h. Done. Slap FC and Razorice together and make it a 2h exclusive rune. Done. It’s not what people want but it’s done. No changes to the core of DW or the way ppm works for Frost.
You have changed the goal posts, it’s undeniable. When the above changes were initially proposed you shifted to saying “people don’t want that” despite that having no bearing on the discussion.
When it’s been brought up you could transmog it, you said “it wouldn’t work because of animations”
We did it! 2h frost! - #585 by Kelliste-antonidas
and it was brought up it’s working like that right now you shifted the argument to again be about “what people want”.
We did it! 2h frost! - #587 by Kelliste-antonidas
You’ve called people liars when they say you didn’t want and/or said with aboslute certainty that “2h frost isn’t coming back” despite you saying exactly that.
2H Obliterate - complete the dream Blizz! - #215 by Kelliste-antonidas
It's time.. Frost DK and 2 handed weapons - #1610 by Kelliste-antonidas
What would you call this behavior other than goalpost shifting?
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Well you were just making an argument weren’t you?
Respectfully, if youre going to debate, then debate. Please be direct and dont assume people are mind readers.
Was I making an argument? I guess?.. 
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Then why change 2h at all? If it’s not what people want why do it? Hmm? That’s also not changing the goal posts. It’s stating that people don’t want something, so if people don’t want it don’t pursue it.
And yes, transmog has limitation, but just to put the information out there, I did say since you want to leave it out, that going groom DW to 2h can work, it’s the opposite that doesn’t… or did you just ignore that like you ignored the ppm increase?
It makes everyone happy, DW gets to keep the same, or close to the same proc rate depending on crit and haste, and 2h is brought up to DW level while not swinging like an attack speed barbarian in D3 using a 2h.
I really don’t know what your problem is.
I know what I said and I have never said 2h shouldn’t or wouldn’t come back. The posts you linked to don’t even show that.
I am, you made an argument and I asked where you pulled it from. Or do you not know the argument that you tried to start?
What about the people who want bigger Obliterate’s for 2hs? It’s quite a large portion of people that want that specific change. Are they happy with your proposal?
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Again… is this the “argument” you are referring to. I said i am supporting my inference that Bliz sees value in 2h Frost by the fact that Bliz took the time to add it back into the game.
Is that a strong enough basis for you good sir and/or ma’am.
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