Just because blizzard doesn’t respond doesn’t mean they aren’t listening 
As evidenced by other changes they’ve already made to BG’s.
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There are those of us who enjoy doing bgs for pvp’s sake and are not trying to rank. This hph meta is the furthest thing from what I consider fun. You are either in a premade pug stomping, or throwing the match to another premade if it isn’t an instant win. Or if you decide to solo que you’ll be disappointed to face premade after premade and get gy camped over and over. I’d argue that the meta being influenced by the rankers is what has lead to this very sorry state of pvp.
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The ranking system doesn’t give much room for that style of play. The system sucks, nobody will dispute that.
It’s a main feature of Classic, it’s here to stay. You will have better success advocating for change in retail than you will here.
#FixedInRetail
- RBGs
- LFR
Except blizzard has already made changes to BG’s in classic to try to prevent pug stomping.
I do not believe that we have objective citation to definitely show reasons for the changes, however I was under the impression that the changes made to AV were due to Alliance reporting other Alliance.
It was a change that prevented people from being removed and facing a deserter debuff just because they weren’t in the pre-made discord, etc.
I could be wrong. There could have been any other reason known or unknown, but that’s the impression I had.
And yet in vanilla it was never an Issue. We didn’t have cross realm bgs at the same time we had the honor system. I also remember high warlords obtaining their ranks through mostly solo queues. And lastly I recall Blizzard changing the queue system once cross realm bgs were released specifically to discourage premades from pug stomping by having to face other premades.
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???
I wasn’t aware the honor system retired by the end of vanilla, we certainly had battlegroups by then.
Don’t parrot that other poster. We both know that the changes to AV are not a fit comparison.
My past experiences speak otherwise. Premades were very much prevalent, especially on later created servers.
By the time cross realm bgs were released the highwarlord gear could be purchased through bg marks and honor.
Sure they are, the queuing system for AV was working just like it did in vanilla.
Blizzard also made some changes to WSG to try to prevent queue dodging.
Ah, I see.
OCE group is only 4 realms. It’s not a bad community, I have no complaints.
I’m confused about how my statement has anything to do specifically with AV.
My mistake, I jumped to conclusions. It looked remarkably similar to their copy paste response but I see the context was entirely different.
Please forgive, it’s late.
If you could point out that source I’d happily concede.
its always horde complaining about being bad
I think that is what a lot of us are asking for lol?
I dont think PUGing is “less effort” either. You sound like someone who thinks having an advantage due to forming a group is some kind of “more effort” when really it’s not. It’s just a different way of playing the game.
I played in Vanilla on a medium pop PVP realm. Those who got to rank 14 were all premading, even then. I distinctly remember one person who got rank 14 who was not premading (but who was likely account sharing) and he was called out many times and was considered a terrible pvper by many.
Not really, most alliance seemed to be perfectly fine with other alliance grouping together. It seemed like the ones who complained about it were mostly on the horde side.
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Also I just want to add that I feel like, its just my opinion, a lot of the people asking for a change to the system in order to prevent premades constantly farming pugs are not people looking for an “easier” route to rank 14. It’s not about the grind for a lot of us. We just want to PvP with the character we’ve invested a lot of time into.
Myself and the people i know just want the option of solo Q to be enjoyable. If you ask raiders why they dont Q it’s mainly because its not worth the 100g to respec each week when 70%~ of your matches are against a premade where the match lasts less than 10 minutes. It feels bad to Q for 3 matches in a row and sit in an hour to an hour 1/2 worth of Qs to face 3 premades and lose in minutes. This happens to not only solo Q people, but also partial premades. My guild likes to PvP. Unless you have 15 people PvP spec’d and preparing like its a speed run raid you are STILL at a severe disadvantage in the MAJORITY of games. We form small groups of 3-5 people and you still end up getting discouraged when you still get stomped by a FULL premade that are treating it like a job.
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With new complications. You’ll always complain.
Coordinating and perfecting your team play with a consistent group generally does take a bit of effort, yeah. It’s very much worth doing though.
Oh yes, most definitely this was a hot topic on the forums, and happened in mostly every single AV game.
Here are some examples of people discussing it on the forums:
There are many, many more such posts, but those ones sort of illustrate the point, and were the first ones I found with a quick search…