We get almost the same effect in cata.
Its just more proper scaling. its the 85 who is a god among mere mortals slumming normal for some reason. in a normal dungeon 84’s can slum in.
and now grim batol sucks much less. I loved 85 heavy runs here. I never deemed dungeon difficulty base on player stupidity to be a good design.
as we can’t fix stupid. You can try, it will fail probably.
KILL ADDS caps on purpose in chat on final boss. Adds not killed. And…the wipe. Sigh.
My mage bulldozes TW dungeons as easily as my level 11 fury warrior twink… Whats the issue?
Again you continue to make assumptions of people. I have no problems clearing tw without twinks as I said before I’ve only encountered a few of them. I also couldn’t care less about mythics as I find them to be filled with toxic people. So again I say if getting a easy run once in a while ruins the game for you maybe you need to go outside.
You make so many contradictions in your own posts. You want others to make their own groups when you refuse to do the same. You complain about how you pay a sub , guess what everyone else does as well. You are consenting and rolling the dice to run with twinks by using the dungeon finder. As you have said previously they aren’t in every group so deal with it and accept the free run or leave and take the deserter debuff when you encounter them. Stop crying about it when it’s not that big of a deal.
If only there were some way to group up with other like-minded people instead of relying on RNG to get people who have their own wants and desires.
Or we can just get rid of the obnoxious scaling. And no it won’t be “sitting for hours” like you seem to think. Nor is TW exclusively for leveling like you seem to think it is. I don’t care that you want to blast through stuff. I don’t know how many times I have to say that to get it through thick heads like yours. I care that you’re trying to do it in a way that prevents 4 other people from being able to participate in GROUP content at all.
Your own posts show it’s not assumptions at all. I was also speaking in part of multiple people but since you wanted to out yourself that’s on you. If you can’t clear TW without a twink that’s a you problem. TW is easy enough as is that you shouldn’t need one.
Again get it through your thick head, no one should be invalidating group content into a 1 man show at the expense of 4 other people. Sorry but no one is paying to see other people play the game and play walking simulator. If you want to blaze through everything make your own groups with said twinks.
There are no contradictions save in your own mind as you’re desperate to justify exploiting. First off, the twink is the odd man out thus the one making his own groups. Second, I am consenting to roll the dice with GROUP content. I am not consenting to one jackass making GROUP content a 1 man interactive movie with 4 npcs. Third, everyone pays a sub in part to seek out their own fun in game and to have access to group content. You are allowed to seek out whatever fun you like, however once it begins to effect another without their consent they have every right to say something. Especially when your “fun” effects 4 others and prevents them from being able to play the game they’re paying for. At which point their subs trump yours every time as you are the odd man out.
If you twink types weren’t obnoxiously running ahead oneshotting everything and preventing others from being able to participate at all there wouldn’t be the pushback you’re seeing now. But certain people want to subject other to their playstyle and say “deal with it” when that’s absolutely not how that works at all.
Not to mention I also have 20 years of precedent backing me and never once has it been intended for anyone to one shot everything in current group content, even scaled. You people can pretend it’s intended all you want but it’s not. See again all the m+ tunings for when something is OP that several people in here always whined about. Then them removing 70s from being able to XP lock because of guess what, scaling issues. The only difference in this instance is the number being at 11 instead of 70.
Lastly I consider 4 other people not getting to play at all a very big deal. You people saying “suck it up and deal” are no different than the morons on ye olden pvp servers that would kill quest givers and say “but I’m not stopping you from playing, you can go do something else.” Or they could do what they did and scrap pvp servers outright. In this instance they can fix the formulas in 5 minutes yet they’re allergic to the work. No one is asking TW to be made harder, nor are they saying you shouldn’t be allowed to play period. Folks are saying they want group content to be group content and EVERYONE get to participate, not just the twink. I’m content to let you guys exist and do your own thing in your own groups, but you pretend like it’s outright blasphemy that I dare say I don’t want to just follow some twink around. Just like the old pvp scenario, I don’t care if it’s one run or a hundred, it shouldn’t be happening period.
And if only the twinks being the odd man out would utilize it instead of trying to hijack groups. If only blizzard would finally shove twinks into their own pools.
But they aren’t the odd man out. Unless you have 4 people agreeing with you in which case you can vote kick the twink. But something tells me you don’t.
Let’s see there’s 1 twink in group vs 4 other people and the scaling of the twink is the issue. Then there’s the 20 years of precedent that they don’t want people invalidating group content or one thing to be too OP. We have the regular m+ tunings, raid tunings and similar as one example. Then we have the fact that level 70 toons can’t xp lock anymore due to scaling issues. Even you people don’t like things too OP as evidenced by how many of your types I saw whining about resto shaman being OP and “no one else can get an invite”. So clearly you people do care about tuning to a degree so long as you think it benefits you.
Difference between you and me is that I’m not asking to be buffed or be given special advantages. I’m saying they need to make a change so the 4 other people in the group can actually play. You’re asking to invalidate group content. We’re not the same. so yeah by the past 20 years of precedent you are absolutely the odd man out. Not to mention most people don’t want to pay to watch other people play. But you believe what you need to and keep showing your own hypocrisy.
But that isn’t what is happening and at this point I am pretty sure you are just a forum troll that is attempting to bait people into getting a ban. You don’t get to speak for the other 3 people in your group. Unless they say they have a problem with the twink. You also keep coming up with these imaginary scenarios where people are asking others to be nerfed. But again, you have a solution you don’t want to use just so you can feel justified in running to the forums on a daily basis to complain about the same thing every day because you refuse to use the solution you have been provided. Like I said, you just want to bait people into saying something.
I want people to experience Summer 2005 Scholomance and Stratholme.
And if the other three people have an issue with the speedrunner carrying all y’all y’all can vote-kick them.
End of discussion.
Posts like this are a joke to me. no offense but “OH NO, A person who locked themselves behind low level dungeons only? they cant raid, do heroics or mythics of any kind, THEY ARE RUINING THE GAME!”…somehow.
They need to get rid of the abomination of ilevel scaling at level cap in TW, other than that, while I preferred the old scaling, I don’t care that lowbies or level 70s with DF gear are OP.
The only troll here is you and people like you. You don’t get to come into a group and then run ahead and tell 4 other people to “deal with it” after you’ve prevented them from playing. Only bait here is yours, but lets address something here. I’ve already said it’s one thing if the group is cool with it and I have no issues with people choosing to group with twinks. Read this very carefully now.
You have a right to like what you like. What you don’t get to do is come into a public group and just decide everyone is now going to follow your twink toon or “deal with it.” You are not that important.
No one is asking for people to be nerfed eh? nerf resto shaman
nerf shamans 2
nerf shamans 3
You still want to stick to that objectively false position no one has called for nerfs?
As I said to the other guy if you bothered to actually read, “form your own groups” only goes so far and doesn’t address the root issue. If you’re going to join public groups there are certain decorum to it. You don’t have exclusive claim on groups to simply tell people “leave if you don’t like it”. Both the twink and other people have a right to use tools in the game, BUT not at the expense of other people. Really that simple.
You are one guy in a group of 5 and it’s not all about you anymore than it is me. When one guy is able to go through and invalidate group content to the point 4 others don’t get to play, that’s a problem and bad design. You’re delusional if you think otherwise.
They often do. Point still stands, discussion will be over when the issues are fixed. Until then I will continue to post even if it annoys you.
Its just this post took more effort then clearing a timewalking dungeon.
People don’t see people cheesing the trivial difficulty mode as a big deal.
I’m going to twink even HARDER now
They looked at how scaling worked during MoP:Remix and decided that would be fine for Timewalking.
You’re just asking to punish other people for daring to play the game in a way that you don’t agree with. You can make your own group instead of trying to attack others.
And they made a bad call. You won’t change my mind on that. Far from the first bad call they had either.
So asking for all 5 people in the group to be able to play instead of being forced to watch one guy play is considered “punishing other people for daring to play different” now eh? Like honestly does it hurt for you people to be that thick headed?
See as I’ve said previous, the whole “make your own groups” argument doesn’t work here as you too as the twink can make your own groups. It also doesn’t address the root issue which is the screwed up scaling. If you consider actually playing a toon and not being able to one shot everything to be a punishment, why are you playing said content? For that matter why are you in an MMO where being able to one shot in current content is NOT the norm at all?
The only people trying to punish others here are the morons thinking they should be allowed to turn a 5 man group activity into a solo run featuring 4 human controlled followers. Sorry but you don’t get to do that, nor are you going to change my mind.
You’re the one who wants to remove these people. You’re fully capable of making your own group of like-minded individuals. The fact that you don’t do that tells me everything I need to know about how silly this argument is.
You’d probably have better luck if you didn’t just insult everyone who counters you.
Yeah, sure, get rid of the scaling. And then what? How many level 80s do you think are there that use tw as their main source of dungeon experience?
If anything they need to wildly readjust the scaling. The problem with that is by doing so, if the content becomes more challenging, then the rewards need to be better too.
Except wow loot is based on challenge. So then we will have complaints about tw being too hard.
Do we have any data on the popularity of Max level time walking?
All that being said, it’s nice to see someone so passionate about time walking.