This is why you don't want LFD

[Shadows-grobbulus]

But being denied is a social experience.

[Zaalg-mankrik]

@Alliari-pagle

“Most good players dont want to carry undergeared and bad random players. Why is that so hard to understand?”

Then don’t. Make your own group. Do gear checks and ask for parse logs.

Leave LFD for the rest of the players.

It’s crystal clear these guys just want to gatekeep everyone and are terrified their boosting services and gdkp businesses will be much less profitable if lfd isn’t removed.

That’s not stretching or making an assumption. That’s just obvious; there’s no reason to be against dungeon finder otherwise. As you said: they can literally do exactly what they want to do even with lfd around as far as manually forming their ‘uber groups.’

[Aurumai-grobbulus]

@Arbitor-atiesh

Clutch post bruh…because as you and I both know at no time has any pro-LFD player ever formed any group.

Hey, it’s an educated guess! Since the elitists and gatekeepers are the banes of their existence. xD Almost all of the pro-Dungeon Finder conversation has boiled down to:

• I can’t play the game because the elitists won’t let me!
• If you say you feel more part of a community when you form groups manually, you’re a liar.
• The 5,000 players on dead realms can’t run dungeons! Therefore, Dungeon Finder for all 400,000 of us!
• Forming a dungeon group requires me to spend my entire day looking for people! All 16 hours!
• It’s not 1997 anymore Blizzard, I went and had kids and got a job and I can’t play the game as much as I used to. Therefore, Classic needs to become less time-consuming!
• You just don’t want your boosting business to suffer! If they implement Dungeon Finder, all of the people whose idea of leveling is sitting AFK at the instance portal will suddenly feel like actually playing the game!

These are somewhat simplified and slightly exaggerated, of course. Usually they’ll also throw in a nice

@Slavegirl-faerlina

you’re so damn selfish or dumb.

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@Dreamsphere-westfall

Their reasons are wrong and is a lie.

or a

@Dumbcake-westfall

At this point I just enjoy seeing you make a flushable nugget out of yourself.

or a

@Rotationn-illidan

Retail is fine.

or a

@Aedd-faerlina

No one cares about your blizzard brown nosing opinion.

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@Fasc-atiesh

TLDR: Blizzard is incompetent and run by morons, and I’m done.

or a

@Novum-kirtonos

i dont think you are stupid, but i do think you have some mental problems going in that dont allow you to accept reality.

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@Dumbcake-westfall

I’m 100% buying a 70 boost.

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@Çarm-nerzhul

hurt someones feelings, and the account got flagged, cant post until oct 10.

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@Beva-westfall

well since you don’t like LFD why don’t you go play Classic era servers or SoM servers?

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@Beva-westfall

other players can’t have a turn in getting what they want because it “kills” your imaginary made up community

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@Bwanstormdi-mankrik

What’s funny is there are these Community purists running around acting like LFD is the work of the devil, and it will taint the vibrant and glorious social community of classic. I am unsure what crack infested trap hole they crawled out of

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@Trollgrim-mankrik

crybabies b*ing about it destroying the community

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@Crazyshammyy-proudmoore

Just look at my post. We’ve got 90 LIKES from people who WANT the LFD

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@Dumbcake-westfall

I hereby give you an award

and so on…

[Lilock-kilrogg]

yeah thats not player friendly, agreed. but the alternative is like playing an rpg instead of a mmorpg because the most interaction you can expect is being vote kicked for failing to keep the tank alive during a bad pull.

[Cowclassic-whitemane]

Why would they talk in a non-RDF run then? Why are you afraid to group with people outside of your circle of friends? Why are you inflexible to different run comps?

[Dumbcake-westfall]

I hereby give you an award for learning how to quote 10 things at once, use said quotes out of context, and give no context of your own.

Well done!

[Lilock-kilrogg]

@Zaalg-mankrik

there’s no reason to be against dungeon finder otherwise

i confess i boost or rather carry people on my 70 mage. i dont typically charge for it but if they wanna tip me, i’ll usually accept. also, i ask people i’m carrying to be on discord with me because i have mangled fingers and cant type fast enough to resolve problems when they arise/if they arise…and nobody in their right mind would carry a full group of 25s thru gnomeregan and its varied eccentricities without instant communication.

[Shadows-grobbulus]

Because a year later some of us are still trying to get past the gatekeepers.

[Lilock-kilrogg]

grin. oh boy, you are talking to a chatterbox. i’m very sociable. i actively seek out people who need help completing content, whether in or out of my guild.

[Lilock-kilrogg]

what server you on?

[Cowclassic-whitemane]

Then why are you afraid of RDF? Is something preventing you from chatting to people you don’t normally run with?

[Lilock-kilrogg]

@Cowclassic-whitemane

Is something preventing you from chatting to people you don’t normally run with?

lol i run with people i dont normally run with all the time. i have power levelled more complete strangers to outlands, for no compensation other than the positive environment it creates.

[Wordgazing-faerlina]

@Nyaria-argent-dawn

Don’t Pug

I PUG BGs often and it’s miserable

@Nyaria-argent-dawn

Don’t want to be bothered interacting with anyone they don’t know.

Yes, that would be nice.

@Nyaria-argent-dawn

Don’t want to do anything unless everyone is at the exact same gear level

Nah, I spend a lot of time doing content I don’t need in order to help guildies. It’s the responsibility of the GM.

@Nyaria-argent-dawn

Have no interest in helping others obtain gear / items they need to perform better.

Nah, opposite. Gotta gear up the guildies to improve our squad.

@Nyaria-argent-dawn

Expect everyone to have done everything since launch, on all their characters, or they are garbage players.

Nope, we just switched a guy to moonkin this week. And man I’m so greatful. Recruiting a moonkin that doesn’t have a personality defect has been a struggle for 6 months. Much happier to move a reliable raider to that position and help him gear up with all the crafted gear and off night heroic ruins, Karas, and ZAs that we can.

@Nyaria-argent-dawn

Openly admit they hate the idea that people can conveniently get groups together that they cannot curate to their specific qualifications.

Yup, it’s better when people have some say over who they are grouping with. Putting strangers together that have vastly different levels of experience and expectations is a recipe for disaster.

@Nyaria-argent-dawn

And after all that, consider people whom are spamming for hours a day for groups to be “Lazy” because they are tired of spamming for hours a day, but have openly admitted they themselves do not pug.

What backwards server are you playing on where you have to spam for hours to get groups? You should consider transferring and joining a proper guild.

@Nyaria-argent-dawn

The Anti-LFD crowd have always been disingenuous trolls, they don’t actually care about community building, or communication, in fact they are probably some of the most toxic people that likely would get DUMPED the moment no one had to potentially rely on them to get things done, thus is why they don’t want to lose their gate-keeping methods and want to force everyone to play the game -the way -they- think they should, even if it’s literally counter productive.

LOL

@Nyaria-argent-dawn

This entire LFD debate has done nothing but repeatedly show that Anti-LFD people are bad actors at this point, that do not actually care about community, it’s just their dumb buzz word they throw around to try to weakly hide their terrible opinions.

If the “community” you’re talking about is the morons that I unfortunately have to carry every time I queue battlegrounds, then I suppose you’re right. I don’t give a damn about those useless, incompetent, 80 IQ idiots that can’t even be bothered performing the most basic and fundamental skills.

@Nyaria-argent-dawn

Blizzard would be much better off not listening to these people and their disingenuous arguments.

Oh, and they’d be better off listening to OP who just now came to classic, is multiple tiers behind, has their gear enchanted and gemmed all wrong, and wants free carries from players that would never willingly group with them except out of pity?

@Duvainith-atiesh

to use lfg, to have your ad seen (by non add in folks)…you have to out post the boosters and gdkp.

If one can do that…chances are pretty good they too are on many peoples ignore lists.

I got that player X really wanted dungeon Y. 80 messages later though…ignore. I can’t help them, they can’t help me. and its cluttering up the chat.

Probably been done to me. and that is fine. I am probably on ignore lists for my blackfathm spam when I made it. Totally understandable. I didn’t want to post that crap every few minutes either. Totally get 60+'s in outland not wanting to see it and ignore time.

create multiple chat windows for this, so you don’t get LFG spam mixed with your guild/raid/party chat, trade chat, etc.

@Arbitor-atiesh

After thinking about it a while now I have come to the conclusion that Blizz was telling us the truth when they said no to LFD in the name of community. I, and I think even the most rabid pro-LFD folks, will concede that LFD did/would bring alot of toxic elements into the game. Plenty proof of that in this very thread. Not any new toxic elements but rather it would expose alot of casual folks who didn’t do alot of grouping to the meta roaches and their BS…and it would no doubt run more than a few of them away. Blizz, knowing they haven’t and will never actually try to reign in the toxic elements of the community, decided the best course would be to try and save us from ourselves so to speak.

expectations, expectations, expectations. simply put it’s better not to have the game grouping people together arbitrarily who have vastly different expectations.

I have no problem helping out undergeared players when it’s my guildie and I’m helping my team get stronger. But randoms that I’m never going to group with again, and they’re not only undergeared but far worse they don’t use any of their CC, they constantly break my own CC, they don’t even push the buttons they DO use in the correct order? NO THANK YOU. Get carried by somebody else you useless bum.

@Aurumai-grobbulus

This may come as a shock to you, but there’s no unlock or attunement process to creating your own group. If you right-click someone’s name in chat, you can invite them to party! Or type /invite [player name]. You aren’t forced to play with nasty elitists and gatekeepers. You can form your own groups and do right where so many do wrong.

Exactly this. You have matched expectations for the group this way, where everyone is on the same page about how much CC you’ll use or how much you’re going to pull everything and AoE it down.

You have matched expectations with regards to whether it’s OK for one of your DPS to AFK for 15 minutes in the middle of the dungeon.

You have matched expectations with regards for whether it’s OK for someone to roll on loot that their class won’t even use.

LFG cannot offer these things. And LFG creates a situation where guildies are less likely to work together, because rather than post in the guild Discord and say “hey, who can run this heroic after work tonight?” nobody is going to help the expectation will be for the person who needs it to just queue LFG with all the faceless randoms they’re never gonna see again.

@Cowclassic-whitemane

But if Blizzard puts RDF back into WotLK then I may have to gasp interact with people I don’t normally interact with and down content without the meta group comp! The horror!

I down content without the meta group comp all the time. Skilled players with matched expectations is far more important than having an exact combination of classes.

You’re right about one thing though, I absolutely don’t want to interact with people that AFK in the middle of runs, roll on loot when it makes zero sense to do so, break my blind and sap, backpedal into the next pack of mobs and cause a wipe, etc etc.

I’d rather take a smart group consisting of 3 rogues than a random assortment of drooling, half-AFK morons.

[Zaalg-mankrik]

That’s nice you run people through dungeons just out of the kindness of your heart. But how does dungeon finder prevent that?

[Rejuvÿ-mankrik]

@Zealous-arcanite-reaper

Nobody wants to have to carry someone’s 5th alt.

Ok… So don’t carry my 5th alt… Can I put you down for carrying my 6th alt though?

[Deflux-uldaman (Deflux)]

During LK my 3th Alt was a Protection pally and I ran a lot of RDF’s, never had any complaints. (most of the time got asked if I would stay grouped and queue again).

[Lilock-kilrogg]

oh it doesnt prevent it, it just removes the need for people to be kind to one another. if i’m helping you level, even though you are a stranger, by running you thru sunken temple, odds are you arent gonna be rude or unsociable. in fact, you’ll probably just be happy and thankful. but if i’m running with you on RDF, chances are you will be unsociable and so will everyone else. lol

[Zaalg-mankrik]

Watching the elitist gatekeeping in this thread is truly eye opening. Hopefully it opens Blizzard’s eyes too.

[Manbearcatz-pagle]

so just because someone isnt bis they have to be carried?

[Lilock-kilrogg]

@Zaalg-mankrik

elitist

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seriously?