This is why you don't want LFD

I can also look you up on WCL I suppose.

for ~20g on the AH you can get a crafted JC necklace that is drastically superior for your personal DPS to what you are wearing, and it will buff your entire party too.

try to get your rep up to improve your shoulder enchant – you’ll recoup the gold investment by saving on flasks anyway.

your meta gem is wrong (you want 3% crit dmg) and you don’t want that AP/stam gem in your shoulders either. you should get run speed from the enchant on your boots instead. (although if you were primarily PvP runspeed meta is OK with surefooted enchants on boots – somewhat comp dependent though, 3% crit dmg still probably better though if you play a lot with a priest or someone else to dispel/freedom)

you should have +6 stats enchant on your chest.

there is a crafted belt upgrade that you can get, it will make a big difference. I haven’t looked lately at prices but I assume they should have dropped a lot by now. you can throw some hit gems in that bad boy.

you have the budget enchant on your legs, which OK. the sockets are nice but it doesn’t have any agility on it. the purple gem there isn’t bad though because you get back the hit from the socket bonus.

Those boots will last you a very long time, but like I said please get the run speed + agi enchant.

Those bracers are also very nice for a blue, but orange gem there is pointless. You don’t need that 2 dodge rating socket bonus, just go full hit. And get the Assault enchant.

Agility enchant on the gloves, also. (Assassination 2set can be nice in your level of gear for dungeons, not bad there – I’m sure you’re trying to pick up that Wastewalker 2set as well… I feel your pain, mine took FOREVER to drop)

Rings are nice for your level of gear. Ditto trinkets.

Badge cloak should be a nice upgrade for ya when you have enough for it.

Latro’s would be a better OH but the real answer there is that you should be saving up arena points now so that you can get S3 swords in a couple weeks.

IDK whether you are starting the expansion late, swapping to an alt, or just very limited playtime.

But for sure, the biggest thing that would help your progression would be to make some friends.

It is a TOUGH, TOUGH battle for Rogues right now. I had outstanding parses when my original classic guild disbanded near the end of T4 and I still spent most of T5 guildless – despite the fact that I had DST, the current BiS weapons from arena, etc. When I did find a guild ultimately, it was one with a frankly lower quality of player than I was used to, but you’ve gotta start somewhere and helping them grow into a proper team can be rewarding.

It looks like you’re filling in a bit for T5 with a guild that is 1 night clearing BT/MH and getting ready for SWP, or who knows if that T5 run is an alt run or GDKP or w/e. If you can consistently get into those runs this is a fine strategy. But if you only get invited once in a while you might want to try to find a guild that is still progressing some older content. The advantage there would be finding other players who are in a more similar situation and need to run the dungeons together. Doing these as a guild is a lot more fun and rewarding than sifting through all the people in LFG.

i changed that neck already np, and that meta is free i don’t have much gold pay 200g for meta into blue helm also, and i didn’t put speed on my boots because the meta already give me speed and that doesn’t stack, but i aim to put cat swiftness once i change the meta, i can’t afford to put 6stats on blue chest , the crafted belt is very nice but still 400g is so much, and yup the leg enchant is the cheap one, i know that i should’ve add hit on bracer but i aim to change it soon, agi enchant on glove is like 10x the price of 26ap, i’m trying to farm badges everyday and i’ve done BM many times but no luck however i aim to upgrade the oh when i get the chance.

I only dinged 70 last friday :slight_smile: so i’m broke and my character require a lot of work, i was lucky on finding that guild run when i spotted in lfg chat that they need 2dps for that run so i talked with the leader and told him that i’m fresh toon and he was very nice and he invited me despite me having poor gear, and loot was SR so i put mine on T5 helm and lucky i got it, that’s why my helm in forums show t5 but the logs show the old blue, however i only made this char for wotlk but i do care for slavegirl, and i aim to find guild for wotlk, but anyway i’ll work hard for now so i can have some fun, and btw as you can easily see in my logs per each encounter that
ilvl% “dps performance comparison (by item level)” is pretty good but i’m just a casual player :> anyway thank you for the tips.

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I find it amazing that the Anti-LFD people always seem to be the people that:

Don’t Pug
Don’t want to be bothered interacting with anyone they don’t know.
Don’t want to do anything unless everyone is at the exact same gear level
Have no interest in helping others obtain gear / items they need to perform better.
Expect everyone to have done everything since launch, on all their characters, or they are garbage players.
Openly admit they hate the idea that people can conveniently get groups together that they cannot curate to their specific qualifications.

And after all that, consider people whom are spamming for hours a day for groups to be “Lazy” because they are tired of spamming for hours a day, but have openly admitted they themselves do not pug. :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

The Anti-LFD crowd have always been disingenuous trolls, they don’t actually care about community building, or communication, in fact they are probably some of the most toxic people that likely would get DUMPED the moment no one had to potentially rely on them to get things done, thus is why they don’t want to lose their gate-keeping methods and want to force everyone to play the game -the way -they- think they should, even if it’s literally counter productive.

This entire LFD debate has done nothing but repeatedly show that Anti-LFD people are bad actors at this point, that do not actually care about community, it’s just their dumb buzz word they throw around to try to weakly hide their terrible opinions. :woman_shrugging:

Blizzard would be much better off not listening to these people and their disingenuous arguments.

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absolute BS
how do you make this crap up? just trying to smear people who don’t want RDF

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I was poking around on curseforge and found an addon called LFG Group Bulletin Board TBC. I think it’s unsupported now because bliz killed it… but the synopsis of the addon is that it was a beat-down but usable version of LFD pulled from the chat channels.

It had over 1 million downloads. Point being that even though some would let you believe that the current system is A-OK, a million people decided to install a LFG like addon to help put them into content. I’m not saying this is definitive proof, but it’s another clue that the current system is not working to meet the needs of the playerbase.

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“Most good players dont want to carry undergeared and bad random players. Why is that so hard to understand?”

Then don’t. Make your own group. Do gear checks and ask for parse logs. :tipping_hand_woman:

Leave LFD for the rest of the players.

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to use lfg, to have your ad seen (by non add in folks)…you have to out post the boosters and gdkp.

If one can do that…chances are pretty good they too are on many peoples ignore lists.

I got that player X really wanted dungeon Y. 80 messages later though…ignore. I can’t help them, they can’t help me. and its cluttering up the chat.

Probably been done to me. and that is fine. I am probably on ignore lists for my blackfathm spam when I made it. Totally understandable. I didn’t want to post that crap every few minutes either. Totally get 60+'s in outland not wanting to see it and ignore time.

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Agree with everything you said. You shouldn’t have to out-spam others to increase your chances of getting a group.

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Real good players don’t mind helping under geared players get better gear or help bad get experience as not to be bad anymore (ends up making the game better for everyone).

bad “good” players just want to rush though everything just for their own needs an don’t care about the rest of the group. (ends up with a dying community of elitists)

*as the person I was responding to they don’t want the RDF since they can only hand pick the over geared experienced players, since some seem to be missing the point.

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Great post and this part I quoted is the best bit. All these good players that like their min-maxxing and gatekeeping are going to end up with just what you describe, a dying community. The LFD thing is just one part of the picture.

WoW had a big subs dropoff end-wotlk into early-cata…is a reason for that…and it will happen again if the “community” is allowed to continue on its current path unchecked by Blizz. I hold out little hope Blizz is going to intervene.

After thinking about it a while now I have come to the conclusion that Blizz was telling us the truth when they said no to LFD in the name of community. I, and I think even the most rabid pro-LFD folks, will concede that LFD did/would bring alot of toxic elements into the game. Plenty proof of that in this very thread. Not any new toxic elements but rather it would expose alot of casual folks who didn’t do alot of grouping to the meta roaches and their BS…and it would no doubt run more than a few of them away. Blizz, knowing they haven’t and will never actually try to reign in the toxic elements of the community, decided the best course would be to try and save us from ourselves so to speak.

Personally I’m fine with getting more groups (with LFD) and dealing with the idiots but people that post here are a different breed of player. The average player after getting kicked a few times and insulted on the way out is just gonna bounce. The irony is those same people AND the more active casuals like myself are gonna bounce when no groups come. Oh well…

I really like the game…its why I came back for round 2 but it is so damned disappointing the developers are OK with allowing an easy game to be made difficult by immature people. I’ll never get it.

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you can still do this with LFD by vote-kicking someone.

Undergeared player shows up to your heroic? Vote kick them. It’s not against the rules, and Blizzard can’t stop it.

Plus, not only do you get to wait in queue again, you have to also wait up to 15 minutes just to re-queue, as there is a cooldown to queue again after entering a dungeon.

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That’s why I do gdkps every week, I’m helping those players get gear.

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With out LFD just going to end up with a dead server with a bunch of over geared players and others feeling left out and quitting.

*server I started on Classic does not have enough horde to man a 10 man raid during most of the time. (most elitist won’t take either in their personally made groups example as in the post I was responding to)

only time i tanked was during the end of LK and I like LFD and having new random people to pull though and teach, built up future good players. (felt good pulling random newer players through dungeons too, my Guild at the time didn’t need any tanks we had plenty so I stuck with my Main Hunter DPS with them but starting Tanking for my friends guild, got good and also geared so started doing the LFD since tanks were always in need).

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It takes 15 minutes to be able to vote to kick.

The person isn’t undergeared if they were allowed to que, as the dungeon finder sets the minimum ilvl.

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Exactly I have been trying to just get my BL gloves for like a month and can’t find anyone to run a dungeon with…

This may come as a shock to you, but there’s no unlock or attunement process to creating your own group. If you right-click someone’s name in chat, you can invite them to party! Or type /invite [player name]. You aren’t forced to play with nasty elitists and gatekeepers. You can form your own groups and do right where so many do wrong.

Clutch post bruh…because as you and I both know at no time has any pro-LFD player ever formed any group.

Its almost as if these LFD clowns just want an easier more efficient way to do what they already been doing…its like I’m talking to a wall…hey noobz, the hardest part of the dungeon should be forming the group…idiots…

well look at it this way: In WOTLK, your ROGUE will rock the world.

But if Blizzard puts RDF back into WotLK then I may have to gasp interact with people I don’t normally interact with and down content without the meta group comp! The horror!

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hehe but they dont interact. they dont talk. and since it took no effort on their part to build the group or find the group, they dont even have to ask for a summons or even know where the dungeon is located lol