Pretty sure the “elitists” are the ones who want RDF.
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I don’t care about someone’s gear as long as they can properly fulfill their role.
While there is definatly elitist people it’s not why many are agaist having rdf.
If the tank can tank I don’t care. If the healer can heal I don’t care. Gear helps, but for heroics in wotlk… I could care less as long as you have enough to do your role.
It’s the elitist that want rdf.
People who want RDF:
Casuals, elitists, PvPers, hardcore raiders, introverts, softcore raiders, altaholics, levelers.
People who don’t want RDF:
Those who forget that this isn’t vanilla anymore, pot stirrers, uninformed person’s parroting what they read in classic vanilla forums, boosters.
People who say they don’t want RDF, but really do:
All those same people who claim they want world PvP but play on a one sided PvP server as the majority faction. (They don’t want world PvP they want to gank people without worrying about getting ganked back)
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Eh, someone hasn’t been reading the thread.
Or you’ve ignored the 50 posts about, “I don’t want to carry scrubs. I want to inspect players and only invite those with adequate gear and the right spec.”
The elitists absolutely do not want RDF. They want what they have in TBCC, where they can pick and choose exactly who they want to group with (which of course they can still do with lfd). Or whoever pays them to join their groups. Hence they’re just gatekeeping.
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You realize that being picky about the classes they bring in tbcc is because tbc heroics are design to want specific classes based on the design of the heroics and class design? AND that that issue goes out the window with wotlk class and content changes?
Tbcc has some picky heroic group forming because if you go into a heroic with 3 warrior dps, a holy paladin and a warrior tank. You won’t have a good time. Groups need some form of reliable CC/slows, or strong aoe threat, exc. Group comp matters in tbc. In wotlk however you could easily get away with a 4 warrior 1 holy pally group.
I’m sorry but if your guild doesn’t want to help each other out, thats hardly a LFD problem. If they are active in helping each other out now and they would be less likely to help with LFD around that tells me that one or both of the following are true:
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they aren’t really that interested in helping right now but feel they must to have any hope of getting the help they will need
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LFD is a better system
If its the first, the only real response is who cares, thats a ‘your guild’ problem. If its the second, why stand in the way of progress?
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You are right but min-maxxer gonna min-max. Even if class X is only 0.0357% better than class Y you know, you have to know, that class Y may as well not exist to this special breed of stupid. Its why LFD was ever brought out to begin with.
All of the reasons LFD was ever introduced still exist in Classic, which makes the decision to not include it so mind-bogglingly ignorant.
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But forming the group isn’t the hardest part of running a dungeon…just because there’s a variance in how long it takes based on player availability (something that LFD cannot circumvent either way) doesn’t really determine a higher difficulty.
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You realize there are elitist gatekeepers in this very thread saying they don’t want to group with scrubs, or low geared players or ones playing certain specs.
Don’t pretend that elitist gatekeeping is going anywhere in Wrath…unless dungeon finder is there. Then at least average players have another option.
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That’s not “elitist gatekeeping”.
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Just stop. I’ve used LFD since 3.3 and have never seen anyone get kicked immediately.
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Everyone except those who want to do WotLK dungeons and not have to deal with gatekeepers like you…
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i remember running heroics in wotlk with just me as a resto druid and a prot pally. he was an amazing tank… we 2 manned many of the achievements. to be fair, he was already in raid gear, but i was just in dungeon blues lol
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The length of time it takes to perform a task is universally accepted as part of the formula to determine the ease of performing that task. Do you disagree?
Then what do you propose that it is?
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I saw it in the OP’s strawman post if thats what youre referring too. Players who want that kind of control over their groups will probably not be leaving things up to chance in a random queue system.
So everyone then? Some people have higher standards than others but pretty much everyone that plays groups with like minded people with common goals. Nothing wrong with that unless you go full dumb with it like some people do and expect the latest tier geared players to run normal dungeons with.
The elitists are the ones who want something not available to them because they think they deserve it and because they asked for it - you can tell who is who because one group states the devs are incompetent and people who disagree with them are “dumb elitist gatekeepers”. They feel fit to judge which is a good sign of a holier than thou attitude.
This is the lamest of all insults. Players cant gatekeep anything in regards to development because theyre not developing the game. They simply agree with the devs at the risk of being ostracized by a bunch of people who enjoy being outraged over nothing.
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I don’t want to group with people that can’t perform the basis necessities of their role, if I get a dps in a group that is doing less than 300 dps at lvl 70… they shouldn’t be in a heroic at that point.
Everyone has their own definition of what a scrub is though.
I expect dps to be at least near the tanks dps, if not I may try to replace them (unless the tank is just geared to the teeth, then I’m a little more forgiving, but still…)
Dungeon Finder doesn’t fix the elitist behavior. I’ve been kicked from groups on my hunter for pet pulling in WoD, when I was running lone wolf. Aka no pet out to begin with. You can’t fix stupid people who are stuck in their beliefs. Rdf is full of abuseable systems. Rdf doesn’t fix the elitist behavior, especially the wotlk version of it. People will click vote kick accept without even looking at it.
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Best thing that could be done to get people that don’t know how to play their class from happening is Blizzard not to sell any level boosts. (player level boosting also creates this).
We just need a grouping tool, not RDF. If they do RDF they should not put bs like teleportation or cross-realm, because that hurts the game. period. that’s it
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Naw dude, the elitists have the power. They have the thing(s) or easy access to it. An elitist wants to reserve power/resources to a certain group of which they belong. They favor systems that allow them to keep the control they have rather than have power/resources more widely distributed. But yes, they do certainly believe they deserve it.
In this case the power/resource is access to groups. Elitists don’t want LFD. LFD will reduce their power and more widely distribute access to groups…they will lose some measure of control.
Not every anti-LFD is elitist, but every elitist is anti-LFD.
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