Some Changes: It's no accident

[Delimicus-heartseeker]

@Xecks-stormrage

its simple. nothing that wasnt in the 1.1 - 1.12 timeframe.

now there were alot of things that happened in that timeframe so wanting 1.12 patch with 1.5 av would still be within what was in vanilla.

or pre 1.11 shield slam changes for everything but naxx. that would involve adding in an aura to naxx which would be something outside of the 1.1-1.12 timeframe though so some people would not want that.

@Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel

was old av in vanilla? yes. thus as per blizzard, it is up for discussion.
was pre 1.11 threat in vanilla? yes. thus per blizzard, it is up for discussion.

@Sabetha-turalyon

Frankenpatch was always a part of no change from day 1.

@Gnocci-emerald-dream

And reverting the warrior threat stuff to pre 1.11 would not be a change outside of the vanilla timeline. It would not be “balancing”, but rather a reversion to a prior state.

Tons more posts like these. People wanting different versions of AV despite playing patch 1.12, or different versions of talents like Shield Slam. The arena rating change is from S4 and falls into that definition of “No-changes.”

As long as it was in Vanilla, it’s on the table. That’s what most people were saying “No-changes” meant for Classic. That same philosophy of “authenticity” is still poisoning Blizzard’s decisions in TBC Classic; as I said:

@Delimicus-heartseeker

The arena rating changes are them normalizing the S4 rating requirements across all seasons.

@Delimicus-heartseeker

Their initial “change” to drums was the same thing; they were going to release the drums in an earlier state and then release another version that was the 2.3 version in a later phase in TBC

The moment they stepped away from authenticity and decided on a real change, (Tinnitus debuff) the community rejoiced. Clinging to “No-changes”, or authenticity for the sake of authenticity, is going to hold TBC Classic back.