Sharding in classic is GAME BREAKING

Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel · January 10, 2019, 5:32am

But it does. Some are authentic vanilla and some are not.

Studmuffyn-veknilash · January 10, 2019, 5:33am

then it is a bad example, the AQ event was much much worse, thing is , like i said you have no idea what the uploader did with his settings, or what Nost did with theirs.

New hardware will have its limits too, if they do not use sharding then what do they do? I gave a couple of ideas above, what else could be done to make an event like that playable ? Just hoping for the best is not going to work for everyone.

Mogar-stormrage · January 10, 2019, 5:33am

Usually your trolls posts are better than this. That statement is utterly absurd.

Doesn’t matter why? LOL.

You’re seriously equating someone not playing the game to someone standing at the same spot as someone else, but they can’t see them or interact because they’re sharded. Man, there’s a reason no one takes you seriously.

Galdor-maelstrom · January 10, 2019, 5:33am

You posted screenshots from the Classic demo, showing the water being opaque and completely ignoring videos of the exact same water being transparent in 2006.

So much for you wanting authenticity ¯\(ツ)/¯

Fesz-cenarius · January 10, 2019, 5:35am

Studmuffyn:

Mogar:

Heh, I don’t know what else to say. Some people are being, as I think you said…deliberately obtuse. One of the great things about Classic is that Blizz can utilize 2019 technology and apply it to a 15 year old game. So circumstances that happened due to the technology of the time (see: AQ event), can actually be pulled off these days. Nostalrius has done it. Do people honestly think Blizzard can’t?

No, try being realistic, you have no idea what the zone limits they had were or what they had to do to achieve them.

Yes I would HOPE that they could pull off the AQ event without resorting to sharding, but even modern servers are going to have limits, how do you solve that problem?

Fesz:

would rather have a more authentic AQ event, even if that means lag and possible server crashes.

Be honest here, how do you think it would go over if they did nothing and had en exact repeat of AQ event failure?

There are tons of people just waiting for anything to pounce on.

So, Blizzard should throw authenticity to the wind and “walk on eggshells” out of fear of those (trolls, in all likelihood) who are “just waiting for anything to pounce on”?

Or, should Blizzard accept that they cannot satisfy everyone and do everything they can to ensure an actual authentic, truer Classic experience?

Fesz-cenarius · January 10, 2019, 5:36am

Ziryus:

Fesz:

Ziryus:

Fesz:

Why would I,or anyone else, expect to meet anyone who is not even logged in and online?

What about the people who are not logged in and online if they choose to use that “antithetical to vanilla” means to artificially segregate the population?

Every player, though, should be able to expect to see and meet every other player on their server that is in the same area. Sharding does not permit that. We even have video proof that sharding does not permit that.

Please explain how someone you never meet because you happened to be in a different shard is different than someone you never met because they happened to be in a queue, be on a different server etc…

Situation A:

Johnny is not able to meet Billy who is logged in and on his server, in the exact same area because Billy was artificially segregated using a technology that even Blizzard admits is totally antithetical to vanilla.

Situation B:

Billy is not logged into the game because he is out seeing a movie with his wife. Johnny doesn’t see Billy and therefore cannot meet because he is not even logged in.

Situation C:

Billy is waiting in queue to log in. Johnny cannot see or meet Billy while he is queue, and not logged in.

Situation D:

Billy is on the server Stormrage. Johnny is playing on Twisted Nether. Johnny doesn’t see Billy and cannot meet him because Billy is on an entirely different server.

If you refuse the recognize how Johnny not meeting Billy in situation A is different than Johnny not meeting Billy in situations B , C and D, you are simply being intentionally obtuse.

And all those result in someone you didn’t see in game, it doesn’t matter why.

As I said, intentionally obtuse.

That couldn’t possibly have anything to do with wanting classic to be as unauthentic and as far from vanilla as possible, could it?

Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel · January 10, 2019, 5:37am

What does it matter what the settings Are? The graphics in wow are a joke anyway.

Fact is there is thousands of people all in one small area. And there is very little lag.

Mini-firetree · January 10, 2019, 5:37am

I don’t want to be that guy but of all those examples given sharding is the only option that would allow you to meet Johnny because even though you could not physically see him you would still see him in /who and chat channels and be able to communicate with him where you couldn’t if he was logged off, in a queue or on a different server.

Ziryus-doomhammer · January 10, 2019, 5:40am

Some what are authentic?

Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel · January 10, 2019, 5:40am

Sharding is also the only one that impacts the server economy by creating more loot, gold, and nodes.
Sharding is also the one that reduces the chance i randomly encounter someone who is actually online.

Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel · January 10, 2019, 5:41am

Queue times, people being offline for other reasons aren’t authentic vanilla? You know what isn’t authentic? Sharding.

Studmuffyn-veknilash · January 10, 2019, 5:41am

Troll, media, random forum people all will happily pounce if something liek that happened.

I want to play Classic not stare at login screen, I feel the same about CUrrent, if they can come up with solutions to make that happen, I am happy, I highly prefer no sharding in Classic side though, as I think long term any reasons for it would be much less.

So your solutions is to hope that the new tech can handle unknown load sizes with an event like that?

Because if they did something onthe server side to lessen the impact of so many people the zone that makes a huge difference, and as for the uploaders , well if he has his settings set to low to make it smoother that also makes it look good too.

thousands? all right there? yah no way I believe that without actual proof, hundreds I would buy without, but thousands nah.

Ziryus-doomhammer · January 10, 2019, 5:42am

And that has what to do with the original discussion about who will or will not meet and that being entirely random?

Which is authentic and it doesn’t matter why you didn’t meet someone?

Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel · January 10, 2019, 5:44am

Dude he was literally running around. Thousands. And so your telling me that some people running a private server can find a way to deal with hordes of people in one area but blizzard can’t?

Guess I got to lower my standards. Oh wait. I’ll just stop buying blizzard games.
Seriously.

Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel · January 10, 2019, 5:45am

Because if the reason I’m not meeting them is they are offline that’s vanilla. If I’m not seeing or meeting them because sharding that isn’t vanilla at all. That’s sharding at work and thus preventing me from interacting with others.

Fesz-cenarius · January 10, 2019, 5:46am

Studmuffyn:

Fesz:

So, Blizzard should throw authenticity to the wind and “walk on eggshells” out of fear of those (trolls, in all likelihood) who are “just waiting for anything to pounce on”?

Or, should Blizzard accept that they cannot satisfy everyone and do everything they can to ensure an actual authentic, truer Classic experience?

Troll, media, random forum people all will happily pounce if something liek that happened.

I want to play Classic not stare at login screen, I feel the same about CUrrent, if they can come up with solutions to make that happen, I am happy, I highly prefer no sharding in Classic side though, as I think long term any reasons for it would be much less.

So your solutions is to hope that the new tech can handle unknown load sizes with an event like that?

I guess I just care more about authenticity and a truer Classic experience than some people.

Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel · January 10, 2019, 5:47am

Seriously that’s the point I’m at with blizzard. After warlords and BFA if they screw up classic i am gone. For good. From blizzard as a whole. So go ahead and shard aq and watch as people unsub.

Fesz-cenarius · January 10, 2019, 5:49am

/sarcasm on

I was playing Classic and Billy was playing SWTOR.

Blizzard, you failed me because I couldn’t see Billy and meet him. Why didn’t you account for that possibility?

/sarcasm off

Ziryus-doomhammer · January 10, 2019, 5:50am

You could not meet someone while they were offline in vanilla… just like you can’t meet someone in a different shard…

So you’re not meeting someone you wouldn’t meet anyways…

Studmuffyn-veknilash · January 10, 2019, 5:51am

no way i believe thousands lol,
Yah how did they adjust their server to do it, how m any people were actually there? Nowhere did I say Blizzard could not handle it, just repeatably asked for solutions other than sharding and hoping that the new tech won’t have any issues with server load.

what are your solutions then? no sharding, fine, just hope that it will be ok ?

I agree , people need to understand what could happen if they do nothing, which is what it seems most here want, but you would really be ok with constant server crashes in an event like that and they did nothing, or do something within the realm of authenticity adjustments , like i exampled above.