Other MMOs and MOBAs understand how putting characters outside of standard tropes is healthy

When you think of a healer. What do you imagine them to appear like?

When you think of a tank. What do you imagine them to appear like.

It seems like world of warcraft is the only game, still stuck in its old ways and creating very cliche tropes.

Heroes of the storm and Overwatch very easily understood that creating out of the box characters for specific roles increased the amount of people that would try these roles. In HoTS we have Stukov who is a healer with the highest auto attack damage in the game and a more sinister way to heal allies, in Overwatch we got Moira a dark sinister healer. Even in ffxiv and eso you can make a healer that isn’t this traditional good two shoes, i just care about being good healer.

The reason i bring this up is becausewe hear this argument that adding more tanks to the game won’t increase the amount of tanks this is false The problem is WoW keeps adding the same type of tank.

If we look at Overwatch, they have Dva who while generally is just popular, she also does the great ability in pulling more egirl/eboys simply cause of her asthetic… if Dva isn’t who she was and instead was a gremlin piloting a roach mech instead of a cute girl piloting a bunny bot then I’m sure the people that play her cause of her asthetic they wouldn’t.

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/v7tohs/according_to_riot_97_of_female_players_play/

A riot employee publicly told us that the majority of their female playerbase plays only cute girl champions, then Gnar, then teemo.

On this Twitter where they were telling us all this they also flat out told us that adding Gwen and Lilia ( cute champions) it pulled these players than never play top or jungle into these roles.

Even their new champion ksante is another example of them trying to pull the eboys into the top lane.

TL;DR: make tanks and healers outside of traditional tropes blizzard. If you made a dark healer, i would try healing… if you made a cute tank…i would try tanking … instead our choice is to be some edge dark brooding ward or a drunk bafoon

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A mage cloth tank, me want.

I agree, i want a cloth tank and i want it now

all the other stuff, 2 much 2 read for me brain. :panda_face:

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I don’t disagree! My favorite example is a Mesmer from Guild Wars 2, who has the ability to be your standard cloth wearing caster…but you can also give them a sword and they become an exciting teleporting spellblade!

I’ve always been a proponent of melee Mages, and argued that specs like Arcane should fill that role! Not that Arcane is bad or boring, the new rotation is actually pretty fun, but a Mage melee spec would be fun too!

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yesss, i love u my lil gnome… thats a brilliant idea, apply for a blizzard job now. :panda_face:

I would literally try out tanking if they gave Rogues some type of blade dancer / dodge based tank spec.

Then again tho… I admittedly may be an outlier. I pretty much exclusively play Rogues lol

Would be neat if Blizzard sent out a survey tho

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Wasn’t there a post almost exactly like this, citing the same sources months ago?

On topic:

I think it’d be great for them to add “ability xmogs”, similar to Lock’s green fire. A new way to customize to make people feel more unique. It wouldn’t take nearly as much out of the devs as creating a new slew of classes/subclasses, and it should satisfy most

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in fact it was evolving, it was progressing.

But between new classes like DK and DH, it seems that the community doesn’t care, they think that this is a runescape and they prefer to be casual.

Unfortunately that is the example given in this expansion and the evoker class, a reason that seems to be that boring casters prefer a very aggressive and fast class that makes faster plays.

That really disappoints me and I see that sometimes the old and casual is not better than the new.

Blizzard needs to understand this, i didn’t try support in heroes of the storm until they started added out of the box healers.

When i support in league of legends, i play Thresh,Pyke, Nautilus.

Even in ESO i don’t think i would heal if Nightblade or Necromancer couldn’t heal .

I’m assuming the opposite is true for people that like the more light hearted tropes but for tanks.

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And I forgot, going back to the point, it’s one of the reasons I wanted a tinker more than a disgusting evoker.

thing that this class was better, than dragons assuming to be dragons and ruins all context that we wanted to live not only the experience of Azeroth, but of Warcraft in particular.

And then immediately quit because the group constantly berates you for not being fast enough in a leveling dungeon. Or not doing enough DPS. Or being the wrong tank spec.

If you want a cute tank play a tank as a cute race.

It makes no difference. Specs aren’t cute. Those games get cute characters because they are character based games.

That’s not what WoW is.

People don’t tank because people are insanely toxic to new tanks. That’s why there aren’t as many tanks.

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Out of our existing tanks.

Warrior
Paladin
Druid
Death knight
Monk
Demon hunter

I think Warrior Paladin and monk are fine how they are but they definitely could change the others.

Death knight does give it very Vampiric vibes it visually doesn’t sell this that well.

Druid could be more nature esque… like using vines, leaving trails of flowers and pretty much the asthetic we got from Malfurion in the bfa darkshore cinematic

Not sure if you say it joking, but a mage tank can work. Mirror images, shield, temporal spells to reduce/eliminate damage, slow mobs auto attacks or casting speed, etc.

Also mages have shown great powers with barriers in the lore, such as Jaina blocking a missile with one shield. And while not all mages are Jaina, not every auto attack is a missile.

Imo, mage as Spellblade would be an amazing tank.

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Add specialists to WoW while they’re at it. I would love an Abathur-type class here.

I agree, mage tank would literally be the best thing ever. :heart_eyes_cat: :heart_eyes_cat: :heart_eyes_cat:

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Yeah I’m not a carebear, tanking isn’t hard it just isn’t asthetically appealing with the current options. If i was able to make a blood elf death knight with red eyes then i would play that.

Haven’t played Guild Wars 1 but did play Guild Wars 1 and illusionary weapon Mesmer was definitely a fun build.

This is what the Evoker should have been - pseudo-Spellbreakers using Draconic magic. Blizzard has Red Mage vibes with the Evoker with its short range and magic/melee hybrid mechanics and mail armor, but the lack of sword and board as well as being stuck in dragon form definitely hold it back from nailing that fantasy. Evokers should have been nimble, athletic spell dancers weaving in and out of range of the enemy while weaving arcane and temporal magic to damage and impair their foes.

RIP. Unfortunately WoW is not the game to retcon a class’s identity in the way that Hearthstone pivots major design philosophies for classes so we’re likely stuck with the version of Evokers we got.

COUGH

Demonology Warlocks
Survival Hunters
Shadow Priest

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Fair enough.

Hmm? They’re still pretty much mind flaying, mind blasting, SW:P’ing, and SW:D’ing, same as they’ve done for the last roughly two decades.

They could but it will be more than half a decade before any decisions like that are thought about.

They literally solved all of this with Transmog. You can look however you want.

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