No Justice for the Kaldorei (9.1 Spoilers)

[Chronorabbit-azshara]

@Lenastus-zuljin

But it doesn’t make it less of a win.

It just makes people lose interest. For some time people complain, then, if no adjustment are made, people quit. Where will it take the game - idk.

@Lenastus-zuljin

But was it a ‘‘in game’’ victory?

Depends on how you look at the details. When the “war” stuff was over? 8.2.5 iirc. When was it added? 9.0.2 So, at the time the war story was “over” people had no idea what was going on.

Post knowledge is nice and all, but keeping in mind the perspective of the players during 8.2.5 is equally important to evaluate the thing and consider it’s worth.

@Lenastus-zuljin

No matter how people doesn’t like it

No matter how frequently it is mentioned during 9.0, it was not available in any shape (neither was the Q&A) or form during the war campaign.

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gl hf

[Lenastus-zuljin (Lenastus)]

I mean, all you did here was not making the difference between a win and a cinematic.

You keep doing mental gymnastic such as ‘’ the cinematic isn’t a feel good moment because the win wasn’t a feel good moment!!!’’.

I kept saying that only the cinematic was satisfying and you keep responding that the win isn’t!!! YOU AREN’T EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING!!!

Just how silly this look:

@Lenastus-zuljin

And here you are pretending that all that is better than Darkshore cinematic

@Lenastus-zuljin

I am not saying that any of those is sufficient

@Smallioz-kromcrush

The same people that claim Darkshore was a satisfying win for the Alliance

@Lenastus-zuljin

Well maybe you can help me find where did i said that the win itself was a satisfying one?

What i did said was that the hd cinematic was a feel good moment. Maybe not the best one but clearly on the same level or better that ‘‘most of the other race’’ feel good moment as someone claimed.

As for the victory itself, i never claim that it was a satisfying one but only that it is a victory point. I also said:

@Smallioz-kromcrush

To have a feel good moment it implies you had a degree of satisfaction.

@Lenastus-zuljin

Did you notice that on one quote i was talking about the WIN, which mean the whole battle and on the other one i was talking about the CINEMATIC

@Lenastus-zuljin

The cinematic can still be satisfying without the win being ‘‘satisfying’’.

@Smallioz-kromcrush

If you are going to dictate that Darkshore is Satisfying

That is just ridiculous. I really feel like talking to a wall

[Smallioz-kromcrush]

@Lenastus-zuljin

a win

A win against whom?

@Lenastus-zuljin

a cinematic.

which one?

[Lenastus-zuljin (Lenastus)]

Are you real??? If you followed the conversation you would know.

But here is the problem, you never actually followed the converstation.

[Smallioz-kromcrush]

No I followed the conversation fine.
I just need you to specify what you are talking about now because it seems to switch every 10 minutes when talking to you.

First its terror of darkshore then its about tyrande killing nathanos as a feel good moment but it seems we are only talking about ONE cinematic.
So yeah we are going to need to know what you are talking about now.
Because it seems everytime you get backed into a corner you switch.

[Lenastus-zuljin (Lenastus)]

@Smallioz-kromcrush

I just need you to specify what you are talking about now because it seems to switch every 10 minutes when talking to you.

OF course you keep switching it!!!

@Smallioz-kromcrush

First its terror of darkshore then its about tyrande killing nathanos as a feel good moment but it seems we are only talking about ONE cinematic.

It was actually both. Then the conversation focus on the cinematic and YOU brought back Tyrande killing Nathanos.

@Smallioz-kromcrush

So yeah we are going to need to know what you are talking about now.
Because it seems everytime you get backed into a corner you switch.

I mean your only argument is that i said something that i didn’t said…

You want to win? OK so quote me where did i ever said that the warfront WIN was a satisfying one. Not the hd cinematic. The actual battle.

[Smallioz-kromcrush]

@Lenastus-zuljin

It was actually both. Then the conversation focus on the cinematic and YOU brought back Tyrande killing Nathanos.

I thought we were talking about ONE cinematic. which one?

@Lenastus-zuljin

You want to win?

What win are you referencing?

[Morghel-daggerspine]

@Lenastus-zuljin

What i did said was that the hd cinematic was a feel good moment.

That was so poorly handled it did the opposite of make people feel good. It was frankly, a mockery. Intent is one thing. Execution a whole nother.

[Lenastus-zuljin (Lenastus)]

@Smallioz-kromcrush

I thought we were talking about ONE cinematic. which one?

The original post was about both. Then the discution continue about the terror of darkshore one. Finally, YOU bring the Tyrande killing Nathanos back.

@Smallioz-kromcrush

What win are you referencing?

Don’t know you said that a was backed into a corner. Since your only argument is about me saying that i consider the darkshore win as satisfying you have to actually prove that i said that.

[Lenastus-zuljin (Lenastus)]

@Morghel-daggerspine

That was so poorly handled it did the opposite of make people feel good. It was frankly, a mockery. Intent is one thing. Execution a whole nother.

Really? If you were talking about the ‘‘win’’ cinematic that we had at the last second then i would 100% agree. That was just a awefull last second cinematic but the Terror of Darkshore one was by far one of the best of the expansion and i actually remember few night elf player liking it.

[Smallioz-kromcrush]

@Lenastus-zuljin

The original post was about both.

No you said one cinematic. Just say which one was the feel good moment.
You can’t name two.

@Lenastus-zuljin

Don’t know you said that a was backed into a corner. Since your only argument is about me saying that i consider the darkshore win as satisfying you have to actually prove that i said that.

So you are referencing the interview answer regarding the canonical win of Dakrshore as canon?
Yes its canon according to Blizzard but idk how much stock I give those interviews. They change often and they called Siege of Lordaeron as a loss for Alliance guess thats canon too…

[Morghel-daggerspine]

@Lenastus-zuljin

but the Terror of Darkshore one was by far one of the best of the expansion and i actually remember few night elf player liking it.

Yes, it was a good cinematic that brought hope to players. Hope that was swiftly disintigrated when 8.1 dropped, and it never really recovered.

Giving people hope only to destroy it is worse than remaining at rock bottom. So yea, 8.1 was frankly an insult.

[Lenastus-zuljin (Lenastus)]

@Smallioz-kromcrush

No you said one cinematic. Just say which one was the feel good moment.
You can’t name two.

@Lenastus-zuljin

And here you are pretending that all that is better than Darkshore cinematic, nightwarrior ritual and Tyrande killing nathanos

So you haven’t follow the discussion right?

@Lenastus-zuljin

Don’t know you said that a was backed into a corner. Since your only argument is about me saying that i consider the darkshore win as satisfying you have to actually prove that i said that.

@Smallioz-kromcrush

So you are referencing the interview answer regarding the canonical win of Dakrshore as canon?
Yes its canon according to Blizzard but idk how much stock I give those interviews. They change often and they called Siege of Lordaeron as a loss for Alliance guess thats canon too…

Are you changing the subject again? I am still waiting

@Lenastus-zuljin

OK so quote me where did i ever said that the warfront WIN was a satisfying one. Not the hd cinematic. The actual battle.

[Lenastus-zuljin (Lenastus)]

@Morghel-daggerspine

Yes, it was a good cinematic that brought hope to players. Hope that was swiftly disintigrated when 8.1 dropped, and it never really recovered.

Don’t the cinematic happen after the questline?

[Morghel-daggerspine]

@Lenastus-zuljin

Don’t the cinematic happen after the questline?

No, it’s before. It dropped before 8.1, with promises of Tyrande and Malfurion being badass. Guess how that turned out.

[Smallioz-kromcrush]

@Lenastus-zuljin

So you haven’t follow the discussion right?

No I have, I just find it surprising you refuse to name it.

@Lenastus-zuljin

Are you changing the subject again? I am still waiting

The subject hasn’t changed.

[Lenastus-zuljin (Lenastus)]

yeah i just checked. It is kind of confusing since the cinematic appear in game after the questline but was reveal outside the game one month before.

But i don’t know. I still find the cinematic being cool even with it. As much as i still think that the Sylvanas part in the expansion cinematic is still badass even if i hate what happen since.

[Lenastus-zuljin (Lenastus)]

And you still have do this:

@Lenastus-zuljin

OK so quote me where did i ever said that the warfront WIN was a satisfying one. Not the hd cinematic. The actual battle.

[Smallioz-kromcrush]

I already did way back.

@Lenastus-zuljin

But they weren’t. Night elf did get to beat the horde in darkshore. Tyrande did kill Nathanos for good.

this is the win part.

@Lenastus-zuljin

Those ‘‘not good moment’’ that you are talking about didn’t happened.

this is the satisfying part that you insist did happen.

[Morghel-daggerspine]

@Lenastus-zuljin

But i don’t know. I still find the cinematic being cool even with it. As much as i still think that the Sylvanas part in the expansion cinematic is still badass even if i hate what happen since.

To me, it’s nothing more than a false promise, Nothing in that trailer is reflected in game. And a false promise is the worst thing one can be given when they are desperate for something.

Context is everything. And within the context of bfa, that trailer is more of a mockery than a celebration.