Is "Elitism" getting out of hand in WoW?

[Muddypuddy-malganis]

I don’t play with them. Clearly I’m asking the question not insinuating that this is specifically happening to me. Good players play with other good players to increase the risk for success, I get that. But to be toxic about it is problematic.

[Valarían-hydraxis]

Whatever make you feel special bro. Next time put more then two sentences in there and not cheery pick a entire conversation.

[Peiho-moon-guard]

But if someone is on the lower end trying to break into the lower end things like lower key M+ and normal/heroic raiding, and is having trouble because people are being toolbags to them, then it is a problem.

Theres a solution to that. People can make their own groups at all skill levels of the game.

If you have the ability to play with better players, do it.

Case in point, my guildless friendless Alliance rogue on an another server who is having trouble due to lack of connections and not having the best gear. He does his quests through heroics and LFR because few people are inviting him to M0s and normal raiding.

Sounds like they need to talk to other players and start making groups to do content.

He actually happens to be on your faction and on your server specifically.

Moon Guard is aweful to do anything above Normal Raiding on. There just isn’t much of a raiding community here, the interest of the players is focused on other aspects of the game.

I’d suggest they join a multi-server guild (Ruin comes to mind) so they can pull groups of interested players from across multiple servers.

A more permannent solution would be to server transfer to a more populated/non-RP server if they want to do higher content.

[Sachi-tichondrius]

I’d say join a guild would be priority one for me, look at wowprogress and see if people actively do the content you’re looking for. Some casual guilds that are big will have active members that are interested in helping new players.
Make your own group with your key and push it as high as you can, befriend those that are close/near your skill level and push with them.

[Peiho-moon-guard]

Good players play with other good players to increase the risk for success, I get that. But to be toxic about it is problematic.

How are players playing in groups they want to play in ‘toxic’?

I’m not understanding where this accusation of toxic or socially destructive behavior is coming from. Maybe it’s back in the thread but I read the OP, the first ~5 replies, and the last ~10 replies to see where the conversation was.

Am I missing something or does it just need expounded on?

[Jalen-emerald-dream (Jalën)]

@Valarían-hydraxis

Is there a special color to prove you weren’t carried or you bought the run??

@Jalen-emerald-dream

I mean. It’s kind of odd for a player that only does LFR to ask for someones papers on whether or not their run was legit.

@Valarían-hydraxis

I mean I have a little proof Im good at what I do at the game, I have allot of gold, I have almost all armor sets 53/57 armor in the game I have over 371 mounts no recruit a friend either . I dont ask for special armor or rewards for what i have accomplished. 961 battlepets, All heirlooms at 120, pretty much all my accomplishments could be proven i did on my own and not carries

@Jalen-emerald-dream

You’re a collector. Which is fine. All of those things are cosmetics. What isn’t cosmetic though is gear progression. Most of those things are just time consuming. Clearing hard content is not only time consuming, but requires skill and coordination to get done.

@Valarían-hydraxis

So you think your deserve better looking gears cause you good at one part of the game. That you cant prove you earned on your own and wasnt carried.

@Jalen-emerald-dream

Depends. What would you like for me to prove?

Then you stopped posting. Do you forget your past conversations? Anyways. I’m done here. Guess it’s just an empty point.

[Valarían-hydraxis]

Yup looks like it proved my point.

[Jalen-emerald-dream (Jalën)]

That it was empty. Thanks for the laughs

[Valarían-hydraxis]

Heres your feel good Badge for today:

[Sachi-tichondrius]

The one thing I don’t understand is when most people think they need to be doing mythic content but lack the time/skill to do so. If you’re only good enough to push 10s and only play for an hr a day or even each week then do those, better your self and when you’re ready try to push into higher end content.
I feel like a lot of people overreach in a lot of these cases. Just because there’s a mythic difficulty in raid doesn’t mean you have to skyrocket past lfr/norm/heroic to get there. Go at your own pace.

[Msinformed-area-52]

No. The playerbase has always been mostly casuals who didn’t perform and us good players have to deal with it.

Ahahhahaa keep the bait going.

[Sachi-tichondrius]

That made me laugh tbh but it’s not far from the truth either at least on the hardcore end. But the same could be said the other way around. My question though is if you lack the time/skill to do higher end content why push for it. I mean you don’t need 425 gear to do wq/warfronts/islands, lfr/norm/heroic raid. Mythic raid requires higher end gear I agree but all it does is give you more of an error margin between boss timers/phases.

You could argue there’s no gear progression because of world quests/warfronts etc. when you basically skip lfr/normal/heroic raid content with those. That’s blizzards fault for the availability and the lack of effort/time spent into gearing.

[Fookí-sargeras (Fookí)]

What about people that like to play without spoilers. YouTube or other sites are cheating

then don’t. like i said, i don’t watch them either; i prefer learning thru trial and error because those videos never go the same way your raid will…

[Saángreal-moon-guard (Saángreal)]

This said elitist behavior is less here than with the crowd of in your face FPS. That environment is so toxic. I came to single player RPGs and MMOs so that I can always slow my role to some PVE, RP or just plain wandering the world.

Those people on the high end of the game are playing 1% of the game and attract like minded no life tryhards.

Sorry Jack, I work at my job not in WoW.

[Peiho-moon-guard]

So much this.

Playing higher content requires either more time or more skill investment. If you don’t have the skill or the time, you probably don’t need to be doing the M+/raids/whatever.

[Wuzeh-wyrmrest-accord]

I don’t consider watching anything that can be read on the dungeon journal to be ‘spoilers’, personally. But yeah, I also prefer trial and error.

[Sachi-tichondrius]

I work 60+ hrs a week and still have time for a set raid schedule, that’s not an excuse in my opinion having a job and being able to prioritize.
I would say this game isn’t meant to be played single player but it had veered that way more so than in previous expansions. I personally hate single player games although darksouls/red dead redemptions/metal gear and a few other titles I love.
You also don’t need to no life the game to clear content either, I raid 8 hrs a week on a 2 night schedule. There are better guilds than mine that do it on a 6 hr schedule or less.

[Wuzeh-wyrmrest-accord]

Unless you’re a developer in the modern game industry, you should have plenty of free time between shifts to spend as you please, some people spend that on WoW, and do very well in that time.

The “I have a jawb” excuse doesn’t really cut it.

[Fookí-sargeras (Fookí)]

I can always slow my role to some PVE, RP or just plain wandering the world.

ok…

Those people on the high end of the game are playing 1% of the game and attract like minded no life tryhards.

so you’re saying your realm of wow doesn’t even intertwine with said “1% of the game”… why are you even complaining then?

[Jalen-emerald-dream (Jalën)]

Ugh. I hate it when people do posts like this. It’s awful to respond to…I’m just going to pick some posts out of here.

And advocating filtering group admission only to folks who are overgeared for the instance is going to encourage this . . . how?

Not the point I was making. It started with saying hello and making friends. Which then led me to playing with much better players.

Nonsense. I don’t mean you’re wrong. I just mean this is doesn’t make any sense. The nature of a PUG is that it’s a one-time thing. Saying that PUGs now are bad because they’re a one-time thing is nonsensical. They’ve always been a one-time thing.

Not true. Back before things like CRZ and the Group Finder we had server communities. It definitely started as playing with random people. But then those unfamiliar faces suddenly became friends and allies that were willing to take me on their runs. When the same people keep showing up in your groups, eventually you’re more than likely going to say hello.

As to now it’s all CRZ. So the odds of seeing those same players are slim to none. It’s just not happening.

That’s exactly the definition of Elitist in this context.

No it isn’t. That’s not an elitist thing to do at all. They wish to blow through the raid they’ve done for multiple weeks now. There’s nothing elitist about that. They set the standard and if you don’t meet it then why would you want in to begin with?

You are the game. The state it is in is determined by you. Blaming it on every other player out there except you is denial of the first order.

It really isn’t. Player behavior now compared to what it was is not determined by me and me alone. Systems encourage a very rough experience if you make mistakes right now. I could kick you and get a replacement in less than 2 minutes.