False reporting and automated ban

[Shajiri-hakkar]

I was talking about spamming. You can talk about whatever you want. Im not going to report you as long as what you say isn’t sexist, racist or homophobic and even then I don’t think ill report you because I don’t really care what someone else says on the internet.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Another BIG Post, from me <3

Me personally? Any kind of spam that’s not game related after it’s passed a certain grace period. Assuming what you said was funny just because it included the word censored or censored when it actually wasn’t funny or amusing. Being toxic in groups etc…

OK, so “non-game” related “spam” (whatever that means), after it’s passed a certain grace period. What is “spam”, to you? And where does that marker lie? Even so, there’s nothing in the Code of Conduct that states nobody can discuss “non-game” related content. So, are you or are you not falsely reporting?

I’ll give you the language part because so far that’s the ONLY real offense, you have, that’s reportable.

And how can one be “toxic” in a group?

So far, you have one authoritarian reason (which is what we’re talking about), and one justifiable reason (which isn’t what we’re talking about). You would be falsely reporting against people merely having a pro-longing conversation that is not Game-Related which is POLICING people’s speech! To which, you should be utilizing the IGNORE feature INSTEAD of the REPORT feature. You CANNOT silence people for discussing non-game related content. That’s ridiculous! Even if people are spending hours, going back and forth talking about different flavors of juices, it’s NOT reportable! And people shouldn’t be “punished” for talking about the plethora of juices. Get over yourself!

Right click report both ignores(and instantly removes all their text from my screen) but also potentially punishes the offender.

There’s no offense in having a “non-game” related discussion.

No, I think that got confused, I was only referring to what happened to you in game. You kind of threw that in the same sentence, I just should have been more clear to what I was referring.

I didn’t “throw in” my inability to post on the forums, as part of the “in-game” options. I’ve BEEN talking about the SYSTEM (“Squelching”), this entire time! I’ve been VERY clear, about what happened, to me, on the Forums (because the SYSTEM seems to be applied, here, as well). IDK how many times I have to repeat myself, that I’m talking about how I practically got SILENCED (Squelched), on the forums due to the SYSTEM! And I don’t think a GM reviewed it. It was AUTOMATICALLY done, until I had APPEALED it, and I was no longer SILENCED (Squelched)/hindered from posting on the Forums due to the SYSTEM. Tell me, that’s not the same SYSTEM, as “in-game”?

lol i guess it doesnt matter as long as you understand the difference in terminology for the 2 different punishments as Blizzard refers to it as a squelch.

I don’t think it’s a good idea to confuse people, when people KNOW “Squelching” DOES in FACT, SILENCE people. Then turn around and say, “oh no, you were just Squelched, not Silenced”. It’s way too confusing and messed me up. I can imagine the continuous confusion, and why we’re not in fact, understanding each other. I think we need to toss away that lingo and call the “Silence” (NOT the Squelch), the “punishment”. At least, for me, anyway because we ALL agree “Squelch” and “Silence” are BOTH SILENCES.

The TOS and COC and what not should be at least bascially known as to what is acceptable or not though. and if someone reports and is wrong, then nothing happens, unless of course a mass of people reports the same thing.

Again, everybody interprets the CoC/ToS, differently. Prior to this, somebody was talking about “non-game” related “spam” (even I question that it’s “spam”, “after a certain ‘grace period’” (which was not yet, specified). But “non-game” related content is NOT reportable, in of itself. Just because it’s irritating to YOU (hypothetically speaking) and OTHERS doesn’t make it an “offense”. And we already agree that the Squelch (which SILENCES) is AUTOMATED (NOT reviewed by a GM), therefore X amount of people that were irritated and falsely reported Person A, have JUST HINDERED that person’s game experience and made them have an inability to communicate in the more public channels via Forum Posting, General Chat Channel, Say Chat, etc.

Now Person A has to stop what they’re doing, go through their options to APPEAL (REMOVE) their 24 Hour “Squelch”. Once the Appeal is done, Person A lost X amount of time, and the reporters that falsely reported get away with it “scot-free”. How is that fair?

Again, it’s important to know WHICH “policy”, the reporters are reporting for because I like looking into things, myself because I don’t believe a word that come out of people’s mouths because they lie. I like to do my own research. And when you can’t tell me WHICH SPECIFIC “policy” Person A violated, I can’t help but think, you have no case/argument and are being petty.

I want to be on your (hypothetically speaking) side, but I can’t do that, unless we’re being truthful. I want nothing BUT the truth.

actually no i don’t, I am simply stating that the problem people are trying to make it out to be, does not happen like they are portraying it to happen in Live,not that we can’t ask for the system to not exist like that at all in CLassic.

It was my sad attempt, at humor. The word “appeal” is to “remove” (in the case of “appealing” one’s “squelch” or even “silence”). I used the word “appeal”, to mean “remove”, when I stated “‘appealing’ the ‘squelching’ system”.

Also, may I ask, how do you know that people are not being falsely reported? I just explained it to you, what happened to me, on these Forums ('cause I haven’t played the Game, in awhile), on the way it happened on these Forums, fits perfectly, in what YOU described is SUPPOSED to be happening in the Game.

I’d, also, like to state, that there are justifiable reports. I do NOT believe ALL reports are false. I’m open minded enough to know that it goes BOTH ways.

There wasn’t, that was something one dev decided to do on his own iirc, it was not something asked for. But no there is no massive outcry of what people think will happen, it has not happened in Live at all like that. If its abused enough, they will simply be harsher to the false reporters.

Again, love, I was being sarcastic <3

I used the “S.E.L.F.I.E Cam” as an example to prove that unnecessary changes happen with or WITHOUT “outcries”, making your argument about “outcrying” obsolete.

Anyhoot, again, that’s what THIS thread is/for. So let the “outcry” begin. It’s gotta start somewhere

are you talking about being actioned in the forums? Thats not a squelch, thats a forum ban and that does only happen after a CM/GM reviews it. But if your example would involve naming and shaming, than yah, I would not repeat it.

I’ve been talking about the SYSTEM (which seems to operate similarly, here, on the Forums).

OK, so NOW you’re saying my inability to post on the Forums was “reviewed” by a GM, now? I find it hard to believe because in that same moment, when I saw I couldn’t post, anymore, I had gone through my options to REMOVE it to which is was (BY A GM!). Tell me that’s not the same as being “Squelched”, in game?

Are you telling me, a GM “reviewed” the Reports, banned me. And unbanned me, AFTER reviewing it, “again”? That doesn’t make ANY sense, and I don’t think you have a CLUE on how the SYSTEM even works, in the first place. And I don’t mean this disrespectfully, my friend, please don’t take it that way <3

In regards to my example, that I shall not repeat, has nothing to do with “naming and shaming”. Let’s just say it’s using SIMILAR “offensive language”, as the example found in Ziryus’ post about the human anatomy.

There is no automated ban.

Not in the Game, but on the Forums, I believe there is.

lol well everyone feels their opinion is valid , but yah you don’t have that problem at all.

I think he does, but that’s not a problem. I already knew that. My only issue is figuring out why one reports, FREQUENTLY. What is happening?

But are generally ok with mob rule concerning black lists. Seems both are mob rule and have an effect on one’s ability to interact socially in the game.
So how are we justifying mob rule in one system but it’s not ok in the other?

Seems to me don’t act a fool and you will be cool. /shrug

I hold both sides accountable via false reporters AND blacklisters. I think they’re both despicable!

It’s more that they need to be punished, negative consequences are the only way some people learn.

Learn what, exactly? So far, the best you have to offer is foul language. Everything else you mentioned, doesn’t require a “learning experience”. And you don’t get to abuse the Report system simply because people aren’t abiding by what YOU want, out of the Game.

pretty sure the longest a squelch will last is 24 hours.

Still, that’s 24 Hours of potential play time. Not everyone plays the game everyday, so it’s a hindrance, to one’s play time

Wouldn’t you guys get further with a CS issue over in CS?
The whole :I’m completely innocent bit doesn’t work over there though does it? They will pull that card qwuick over there. Keep it generalized. LOL

Yes and no. I see it as a discussion for both Classic AND CS.

I am not impressed with what a pants on head streamer and his minions do. It is on blizzard to crack down on that.

Way to dodge the question. And it’s NOT Blizz “cracking down on that”, it’s the “Squelch” (the AUTO-Silence, that does NOT involve the company doing so. It’s a SYSTEM that’s dictated by the PLAYERS, NOT Blizzard!

Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time. Again, I am 100% all for blizzard dealing with offenders in the strongest way possible. If this was such a huge issue, you all would be in GD or the CS forum creating these threads.

On another angle of the subject, have any of the “just put them on ignore” considered someone who is trying to sell items or profession services in /trade? How does putting spammers on ignore help their ability to sell their wares?

Again, you’re not taking into account the example, the Poster gave you. Again, “Squelching” is NOT being dealt with by Blizzard, it’s by the PLAYERS.

And as others have stated, it’s not an issue in Retail due to being able to clear group content without saying a word. However, that process works differently in Classic. We NEED communication, and it’s brought up NOW BECAUSE Classic is “coming soon”. Even then, I wouldn’t mind it being changed in Retail, either but one step, at a time

And we can’t “ignore” our Reporters, when we don’t know who the Reporters are

At which point blizz has evidence that you’re abusing the logs, subjecting you and all of the people who joined you to punishment.

And how do we know this? Has any known constant reporter shared their story on this? OR are we ASSUMING Blizz takes care of said Reporters? I guarantee you, that I have a HUNCH on who my Reporters MAY be (but I don’t have proof), yet I still see them posting around, so

I feel as though anyone who wants auto-silence in the game, plans to abuse it but of course they wont tell you that. I know my friends, whom still play retail, abuse this system every RBG they play.

I agree with this statement. You notice they can’t come up with SPECIFIC details, they’re just like “they broke policy”. When you ask them, they continue to be vague “you won’t get reported, if you didn’t break policy”. They just like to hide behind VAGUE reasons because there are NO details. If there were, they wouldn’t have a problem EXPLAINING why, instead of “they broke policy”. The Policy is pretty long, and I doubt they broke ALL of them.

The one who DID give an example, PROVED that they’re playing Authoritarian, and it’s quite sad. The best they could give me was “bad language”

But yet it isn’t abused like you claim is will be, if the Classic community is supposed to be so much better than Live, than there should be no problems then.

I NEVER claimed the Classic Community to “be better”. You’re just using “Classic WoW” jargon which may or may NOT be supported by ALL of the Classic WoW Community. The jargon is NOT an argument.

make enough false reports and yes you will get actioned, doing it a bunch as a group would just make it that much easier for the GMs.

Yet, the ones that get falsely reported get Squelched (which is a form of a punishment) IMMEDIATELY. With the false reporters, it takes MORE time, for them, than those who are innocent. How is that fair?

someone posting on their twitter is not ‘proof’,lol. How do we know nothing else was going on, he wasn’t getting actioned for something else, or a bunch of other things that somehow he doesn’t supply.

And why did he not post in CS forums, or since you like his tweet , why not tweet that to BlizzardCS?

Why can’t it be in both? Besides, it is in regard to Classic

Let’s get real then. If you’re doing this with your entire guild once, you’re going to be doing it multiple times. At which point GMs are going to be smart enough to realize you are abusing the system. Especially when they review the reports and find out that the only thing this person did was undercut you in trade chat.

Once again, the Abusers aren’t being punished (whether it be Squelching, Silencing, Suspended, Banned, etc.) AUTOMATICALLY like the innocent people are being punished (Squelched). THAT’S the ISSUE! Meanwhile, we have 24 Hour Squelches going around, and GMs taking their sweet time on the Abusers BEFORE the Abusers ACTUALLY get the punishment THEY deserve. It doesn’t EQUATE!

What if they are a bored retail player just wanting to spam to a captive audience? Being infamous is more fun for some than having a “good reputation”. (Same goes for bored vanilla/classic players spamming retail channels)

If you don’t think many players do it simply to be annoying, you should spend more time online.

And what is “spamming”? I believe you mean they’re hogging up the General Chat Channel ACTUALLY conversing with people with non-Trade chatter, am I right? Therefore, that’s considered “spam” (even though it’s not), so they MUST be Silenced, right? That’s called playing an Authoritarian. You do NOT get to dictate what gets said in the General Chat Channel. ONLY if they’re actually BREAKING the CoC, which I bet a lot of you Pro-Squelchers are hiding behind vague words 'cause you can’t admit the truth. Y’all are lying and making up excuses as to why Squelching is “good”.

And as time goes on and more and more arrogant scoffers get their wake up call by being victimized by this abuse, subs will dwindle until classic is a ghost town.

Nah, even with the Squelching, I’m still gonna play 'cause I have other Friends to play with. If Pro-Squelchers are REALLY interested in policing the Chat Channels, I don’t have to engage, but I WILL fight the good fight, no matter what.

Common sense,lol, and reading the CoC , ToS, various blue posts about abuse of any of the systems.

Again, everybody views the CoC/ToS differently, yet they STILL can’t explain, in DETAIL (not just “lol read the ToS, hur hur”) why EXACTLY Reporters mean, when they find something “offensive”.

As far as I understand it: Squelch does not equate to Silence.

Squelching IS a Silence. It’s an AUTO-Silence that silences the one, who got reported, for 24 hours. This is why I don’t believe in trying to separate Squelch from Silence 'cause it’s too confusing. Squelching IS silencing, plain and simple. Let’s not try to hide behind more semantics.

they just showed how you get squelched,lol, they did not get silenced unless a GM reviewed it later and imposed a silence penalty as well.

Squelching IS silencing, though. Again, this lingo is garbage. We need to get rid of it.

Honestly i’m expecting people to abuse it.
And i’m expecting blizzard to be harsh and crack down on it and start banned the abusers. At which point it’s a win-win in my opinion.

Why have an AUTO-Silence, though? That doesn’t make any sense? Because as I’ve said EARLIER, the Abusers are NOT auto-punished, so why should those being reported be auto-punished? Doesn’t make any sense, to me.

I honestly don’t care if you continue to blather on about this, level 19 alt minion of a streamer.

Good, then you have no reason to be in this Thread

Zero hard evidence has been provided.

And there’s NO evidence to suggest that Abusers are being punished for their false reports, either.

So you can’t show any of that then? then guess what? all your ‘evidence’ is meaningless. That’s not burying my head in the sand, that is asking for more data. If this was really legit, why did they not ticket it?

I reported who I think abused the Report system, but I don’t go around asking others to help me report these abusers because I’m not that petty. Yet, the ones I think are abusing the system haven’t been found guilty, yet 'cause it’s HARD to prove. All I have is my word. I just don’t see a point in having an AUTO-Silence System in place especially when the Abusers aren’t AUTO-punished for the false reports

and all one of your precious videos showed was the squelch that we already know is in place,lol.

I believe it was to show how easy it is to Squelch somebody, DUH!

Thats the thing no one is abusing it on the level as people are claiming it will be or is.

Which is so funny to me 'cause Aehl was stating it doesn’t matter the LEVEL of “wrong doing” somebody is performing, Aehl REPORTS it, anyway. So why can’t we REPORT the small number of people abusing the System? It doesn’t matter the LEVEL of abuse, it only matters that it IS being abused…DUH!

You really think that people who abuse any of their systems does not get punished? Why would this be any different?

I think it’s unfair that innocent people are being AUTO-punished, while the REAL guilty participants are NOT. THAT’S the difference!

Because it shows that the system is not abused like people claim it will be, the fact that a squelch in Classic would be more damaging makes zero difference.

People claim that this system would be so massively abused and yet in Live it isn’t, and nowhere did I claim that no one would ever try to abuse it, just that it is not the massive abuse that people claim it would be in practice.

Thats the thing too, if this system is not abused in Live where people seem to think the community is so horrible than if the Classic community is supposed to be so much better than Live, than there should be no problems then right?

Again, my friend, it doesn’t matter the LEVEL of abuse. It just matters that it IS being abused. Again, you’re using “Classic WoW” jargon that NOT every Pro-Classic WoW is on the same bandwagon.

Do i need to post it again? SHow me the massive outcry,show the massive tweets.reddit posts, forum posts, it is not massively abused like people claim it is.

Again, it doesn’t matter the level, HOWEVER THIS thread IS the “outcry” just not as “massive”, yet, anyway

Makes no difference,lol, People don’t massivelt abuse it, at least you got that right. The claim is that the system would be massively abused, yet it isnt, what effect is has has ZERO to do with what is being claimed.

Which is why I sit on the fence, but at the same time, I don’t appreciate the idea of innocent people being AUTO punished, while the REAL guilty ones are NOT AUTO-punished. I don’t understand

see above. and Ill repeat if this system is not abused in Live where people seem to think the community is so horrible than if the Classic community is supposed to be so much better than Live, than there should be no problems then right?

More jargon.

even more amazing that there is no auto kick via right click reporting, and if it happened from that,then why did the person not ticket CS, and if they did, would love to hear how that turned out,lol.

Again, it takes A LOT for Suspensions and Bans to pull through. That isn’t the issue. I do NOT agree with an AUTOMATED punishment system that can easily be abused by the PLAYERS.

Lol, reread what I said, the claim is a system like this would massively abused, yet it isn’t massively abused in WoW currently, and according to some the community in Live is horrible and the classic community is so much better, why would there suddenly be a massive problem with a supposed better community?

What effect the squelch has makes ZERO difference to what is being claimed.

Look if you want to discuss this leave the childish insults out next time.

This entire Thread is getting repetitive, LOL. I agree, if people want a conversation, they need to practice patience and try to understand where the other side is coming from. Although, I may lose my cool a few times. I’m not perfect

So you think that no one gets punished for abusing their systems, or that somehow people that abused this enough don’t get punished, that is just silly,lol.

I do believe TRUE botters and cheaters do. It takes time to PROVE Squelching Abusers, even then, I take issue with them NOT be auto-punished while the ones they’re reporting, are. That’s my main issue. I don’t think it’s fair.

I can’t think that anything would satisfy you if simple common sense won’t.

People are punished for abuse, if you think they haven’t then you are just being silly.

Again, I think some abusers are punished, not all of them, especially the more subtle ones, that hide behind vague descriptions and cannot provide SPECIFIC details as to WHY they want somebody punished.

I have a concealed carry license in real life, and your argument sounds a loooot like one anti-gun people use. Regardless of no statistical evidence that self protection is abused in any measurable degree, the mere chance that it could be abused makes them think they have a case to take away that ability to self protect and protect others.

And yet people like you go on about “freedoms”.

Go get different marching orders from your streamer. This one is wearing thin.

I’m Pro-Second Amendment myself, but this has nothing to do with that, in FACT I’m fighting for MORE Self-Defense 'cause there’s nothing Self-Defense about being Auto-Punished. So this is a poor analogy.

ohh, Offtopic- what kind of gun do you have?

man we realyl need an off topic forum.

Yes, we do. It be nice to not fight, all the time, but what can we expect, over the internet, right?

Still waiting on proof that this happens.

I’ve been saying it, but I’m posting BIG, and that scares people 'cause I can only talk about my experiences which is what I’ve been using.

I too need a document with a list to cross check before I open my trap and know what is proper communication in public. If you truly need a legal document in order to tell you what is and isn’t acceptable, then you probably are an offender.

No we need legal documentation because people are offended, over anything. Documentation helps put abusers in their place.

On the subejct of the DC, as far as I know, that will occur if you are either silenced or have other gigs against you already, if everyone who was squelched also got DCd, you’d see a ton of posts about , tweets or what not.

People on these forums have said they have been squelched but did not mention also being DCd, at this point I would LOVE clarification.

I’ve never been DC’d, either. Clarification would be nice

I am absolutely biased against trolly idiot attention seekers.
Do you imagine that is something I was hiding?

IK “Trolling” is against ToS but not being an “idiot” nor “attention seeker”. I didn’t think you were hiding it, but IK you like to hide “idiot” and “attention seeker” behind the word “troll” to unjustly Silence those people. That I do KNOW, or I may be reading that wrong

It really wouldn’t surprise me. Deductive reasoning is how I came to the conclusion.

Worst example because he has zero credibility. I mean with the sheer oodles of examples of this being abused, -there are actual examples beyond this streamer troll right?-, you should be able to provide citations of “innocent” players being harmed by this system.

waves I only like to use myself (that didn’t sound right, but I digress) because I cannot speak for other people’s experiences.

Sure. They can play by themselves because ya all black listed em. Lol
Oh sure they can use public channels to be a chat punching bag.

You guys are hung up on this innocent until proven guilty bit. So why aren’t all of these victims of false squelches bombing customer service? You might get somewhere over there if your claims are legit.
If their not…oh! That’s why none of ya are posting over there. Not so innocent. Lol

So how many in this thread have been falsely squelched or should I say are claiming to have been falsely squelched?

I’ve been stating it. Didn’t know I HAD to post it OVER at CS, but I didn’t create the thread. I’m merely adding my experience, to it. I don’t hang out at CS, either. Just the Classic Forums 'cause I haven’t been playing the game. This is just a discussion, a CLASSIC Discussion, at that, so any other point(s) you’d like to refute? Or are you too busy playing authoritarian and dictating what can and cannot be posted?

Because Blizzard goes way out of their way to delete threads and posts exposing their broken system as the rancid garbage it is. Spend some actual time on the forums and you’ll see the posts pop up and get vaporized within an afternoon…

It’s almost like gasp CMs are just PR shills who double gasp don’t want you posting things that make them look bad on their official forums.

If you claim to have not seen it, you simply haven’t been paying attention… They’ve nuked a number of posts from this thread alone.

This is, also, true. Any topic of Classic WoW was REMOVED from General Discussion. So, there’s that, too. Another form of being SILENCED, unjustly.

Oh but they let multiple threads happen in Classic and GD. Somethin don’t jive there muh dude.

I just gave an example about the Classic WoW Threads. I’ve been around the Forums a LONG time. I’ve seen it, with my own eyes. My OWN experiences because I can only speak for myself.

To be fair they are still here banning people and unmuting the false flag abuse to prove abuse. Lol

Probably because the Posters Appealed them

I have to give it up for this, this was really funny,lol

Probably because it’s true

[Knocrogue-crushridge (Knocrogue)]

@Mellga-area-52

Another BIG Post, from me <3

@Mellga-area-52

I hold both sides accountable via false reporters AND blacklisters. I think they’re both despicable!

I think you may be the first person to be consistent in this regard as both are really the same thing, mob justice. I’m mostly okay with blacklists, though. Mostly because mine includes a broad amount of things. Like this one guy who yelled at me and called me a terrible Rogue. It was a horrible event, Mellga. I had to make sure I never grouped with him again!

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

I think you may be the first person to be consistent in this regard as both are really the same thing, mob justice. I’m mostly okay with blacklists, though. Mostly because mine includes a broad amount of things. Like this one guy who yelled at me and called me a terrible Rogue. It was a horrible event, Mellga. I had to make sure I never grouped with him again!

Thank you. I appreciate being called consistent. Again, I believe in nothing BUT the truth and will continue to pursue it.

[Taintedheals-emerald-dream (Taintedheals)]

I agree, I haven’t really been playing for quite a while so didn’t know it was such a big deal, but from what I saw from a video talking about it (I’ll have link below) if This is in classic it would be terrifying to try and set any big goals for classic.
Please reconsider adding this feature into classic, because I’m sure it will not end well.

Taintedheals

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Off topic. I gave a Heart to somebody and got a message stating I’m reaching my “Cap” to give out Hearts…HEARTS! The level of ridiculous in trying to be positive is astounding!

They should have a Cap on Reports, too

Wow, this is comical. I can’t be giving away too many Hearts, no that’s BAD! Is this actually happening? So unreal, I’m just dumbfounded

[Twiinkedd-terenas (Twiinkedd)]

I just got the same message . Blizzard is nerfing positivity!

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

Yes and no. I see it as a discussion for both Classic AND CS.

Classic which isn’t released yet so we dont know for sure if we get the impeccable golden carebear community some portray Vanilla as having or the modern internet cess pool version of pservers/current internet atmosphere.
So a trial with or without the squelch could be feasible to obtain some data to determine if classic players (being the upstanding community oriented individuals wh woud never do anything to harm their community or fellow players claim it was) could be determined.
Mind you this will open up a can of QQ across all of blizz games. So yea I don’t see blizz giving much on this.

Well if I were you guys I’d find those innocent people being squelched and I’d encourage them to post in CS. Where they might get some real answers or called on their BS. Which ever is true because we do not have all of the facts in this and blizz is as close lipped as ever.
Even after the “bug” yesterday.

Again, “Squelching” is NOT being dealt with by Blizzard, it’s by the PLAYERS.

Just like the old black list except without the public shaming.

And as others have stated, it’s not an issue in Retail due to being able to clear group content without saying a word.

And you’re not taking into account prior knowledge. The squelch doesn’t stop marking targets. At thus point everyine kniws skull means kill this first. X means next and anything else is CC. I mean are people really going to be calling people out because of dps meters? lol oh wait…
Also the squelch only applies to public channels iirc. Party, raid, and guild are not public channels. Yea discord is a thing and idk if the squelch doesn’t let you speak in bnet voice chat?
So honestly it does nothing to hinder actual private group play as is being claimed. Again though. Let’s get the natives fured up on it in the court if public opinion instead of the forum that woukd most likely address the “issue”.

And how do we know this? Has any known constant reporter shared their story on this? OR are we ASSUMING Blizz takes care of said Reporters? I guarantee you, that I have a HUNCH on who my Reporters MAY be (but I don’t have proof), yet I still see them posting around, so

No we don’t know and we don’t see irefutable proof that people’s claims of innocence are true either. Plus ya know how the topic is being pushed in CS makes me question the legitimacy even more.
I’ve been false flagged on the forums but I’ve never had an issue in game and I’m as outspoken in game as I am here in any chat.
We’ve all bitten on that tasty bait. Lol

I agree with this statement.

Let me use some circle logic that i see used in the gbank thread. “Anyone who opposes the squelch must plan on being an edge lord in game.”
Both are assumptions.

You notice they can’t come up with SPECIFIC details, they’re just like “they broke policy”. When you ask them, they continue to be vague “you won’t get reported, if you didn’t break policy”. They just like to hide behind VAGUE reasons because there are NO details. If there were, they wouldn’t have a problem EXPLAINING why, instead of “they broke policy”. The Policy is pretty long, and I doubt they broke ALL of them.

We also notice this is being tried in the court of public opinion by a bunch of fresh forum avatars.
We also notice it’s not being directed at CS where they have been known to pull an “innocent” player’s card when the other side of the story doesn’t match up with their claims of innocence.

These fresh avatars are also just using generalized statements with no details. “It’s being abused”. Uh huh. So why isn’t being directed to the forum that may actually get some results?
There are reasons behind all of this and a lot of this is missing facts. This is the point where if blizz was serious about “getting better at communication” they would address this especially if this is just the coordinated attack I’m seeing it as. But alas. No blizz. No communication.

Once again, the Abusers aren’t being punished

We don’t know this one way or the other. Now my personal experience on the forums and with this system tells a bit different story. While i don’t know if the flagger was punished what i do know is i was unsquelched and it has only happened once. I may get one speaking out on this topic against “popular opinion” but hey the system will work. When used correctly.

Meanwhile, we have 24 Hour Squelches going around,

Doesn’t it start at an hour or something and continues to increase with each squelch?
Not sure but if it does and the person was being falsley flagged how are they at 24 hours?
False flags leave no marks on your account. This seems to be blowing things out of proportion or again the innocent isn’t as innocent as being claimed.

GMs taking their sweet time on the Abusers BEFORE the Abusers ACTUALLY get the punishment THEY deserve.

Which goes back to those facts we are missing. Has blizz determined those flags were false?
So you’re right something does not equate here…

And what is “spamming”? I believe you mean they’re hogging up the General Chat Channel ACTUALLY conversing with people with non-Trade chatter, am I right?

Well the channels do each have a purpose and a general “topic”. General is for general conversation and trade is for trading and lfg is looking for group. Local defense is for defending our territories when invaded by the opposing faction.
Correct me if I’m wrong but shouldn’t these channels be used as intended in the first place? My experience in wow has been trade chat is used by players to start these hot topic debates.
Spam is anything past the current “please wait before replying” message you get when you are spamming.

Y’all are lying and making up excuses as to why Squelching is “good”.

And you all are lying about how bad it is. Wow this circle logic is great.
Except I do have one thing that leans this more towards some misrepresenting from some around here.

If they are “innocent” they would have no problem taking this to the CS forums. Yet here we are beating the drums of war in GD and classic discussion.

Nah, even with the Squelching, I’m still gonna play 'cause I have other Friends to play with.

Which will go a long way in avoiding these false flags flying everywhere.

Again, everybody views the CoC/ToS differently, yet they STILL can’t explain, in DETAIL (not just “lol read the ToS, hur hur”) why EXACTLY Reporters mean, when they find something “offensive”.

Some haven’t even read the CoC. Lol
I linked it earlier. The part i highlighted:

Behavior

Behavior that intentionally detracts from others’ enjoyment (such as griefing, throwing, feeding, etc.) is unacceptable. We expect our players to treat each other with respect and promote an enjoyable environment. Acceptable behavior is determined by player reports and Blizzard’s decision, and violating these guidelines will result in account and gameplay restrictions.

While we encourage you to report players that are behaving in a disrespectful manner, falsely reporting another player with the sole intent of restricting their gameplay is also unacceptable and will result in penalties to your account.

If you’re unsure if your actions violate this code of conduct, reconsider them. We reserve the right to restrict offending accounts as much as necessary to keep Blizzard games a fun experience for all players.

That right there is your answer. Blizz takes into account what players flag for. So technically you can flag for any reason you as a player see. That is blizz involving the players. Everyone having a voice and blizz has stated as much.
It’s even in their mission statement as a company iirc.
There is no guide to what is offensive and what is not. This is naturally inherent in all people.
Good luck with a universal definition in that one. Idc what era it’s from that is always going to be up to the individual. Even bucks in the rut sometimes pick their battles. Lol

Squelching IS a Silence.

That can be overturned in minutes and only applies to public channels. Since were not hiding behind semantics what do you call the claim it’s going to effect groups when you can still speak in groups just not public channels? Misinformation and exaggeration is what I call it.
Whatcha call alt brigading a topic in gd and classic forums while avoiding the CS forums?

And there’s NO evidence to suggest that Abusers are being punished for their false reports, either.

Which means we are missing a couple sides of the whole story. Blizz’s side and what really happened.

I reported who I think abused the Report system, but I don’t go around asking others to help me report these abusers because I’m not that petty.

Who you thought reported you? With no concrete proof? Oh yea. This is definitively going to help the issue. LOL

Yet, the ones I think are abusing the system haven’t been found guilty, yet 'cause it’s HARD to prove.

So a bg team that does this every match can’t be proven? I beg to differ. The timing of the flags to coincide with the start of an RBG? From the same players on players they may never even have contact with outside of that bg? Opposite factions? There’s even more.
Blizz just needs ro walk in drop the hammer, make a statement, or start an open discussion on fixing this. With actual communication from them.
Alright that’s it for me this is too long as is.

Cheers

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

I truly miss the ability to have you on ignore.

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

Lol. Yea it’s been like that. It really sucked in the begining.

I do believe there was talk about a flag cap except all of the toons on your account have their own cap and rep levels. Almost like blizz encourages the alt brigading so the forums appear more active than they are. Lol
/gold foil hat off

Yea. The multiple avatar system does nothing to promote good communication i know.
It’s also why we keep seeing an influx of 9 day old avatar skins.
One had the audacity to ask about class balance. Lol

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

Aww come on now BW if we had an ignore feature we would have never gained the ground we have the past few days in our relationship. Lol
Have some love.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Allow me to quote Padrepwn:

@Padrepwn-kiljaeden

I think I’m going to run some grifts.

With an attitude and open admittance like that, is it any wonder that Padrepwn wants the option to collude with any friends and/or guild mates he may have to silence any other player for any reason?

He couldn’t possibly want to be able to avoid any consequences for “running those grifts”, could he?

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

Oh look guys Fez is here to further muddy the waters with his dance routines.

Padre watches laughing as Fez falls over attempting to twist

[Fesz-cenarius]

@Padrepwn-kiljaeden

Oh look guys Fez is here to further muddy the waters with his dance routines.

Padre watches laughing as Fez falls over attempting to twist
https://youtu.be/eh8eb_ACLl8

I’m not the one planning to “run some grifts” and then collude with my friends and guild mates to squelch my victims so they cannot warn anyone else.

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

I don’t think you know what grifts are?
They are Greater Rifts in d3. What exactly are you trying to construe them as? Lol
Thank god more folks around here have reading comprehension above 3rd grade or enough common sense to ask what something means when they dont understand.
Instead of running with there own false interpretation to support their views. Oh wait…

[Fesz-cenarius]

I don’t think you know what grifts are?
They are Greater Rifts in d3. What exactly are you trying to construe them as? Lol
Thank god more folks around here have reading comprehension above 3rd grade or enough common sense to ask what something means when they dont understand.
Instead of running with there own false interpretation to support their views. Oh wait…

grift

Dictionary result for grift

/ɡrift/

informal•North American

verb

verb: grift ; 3rd person present: grifts ; past tense: grifted ; past participle: grifted ; gerund or present participle: grifting

engage in petty or small-scale swindling.

“how long have you been grifting?”

noun

noun: grift ; plural noun: grifts

a petty or small-scale swindle.

“a Sixth Avenue palmistry grift”

[Twiinkedd-terenas (Twiinkedd)]

Also the squelch only applies to public channels iirc. Party, raid, and guild are not public channels

Wrong. You cannot talk in party or raid either.

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

Yup again. Taken out of context. Here I’ll clear it up for you.
D3 is a game that Blizzard launched a few years back. One way to farm gears is with rifts and greater rifts.
In game people call greater rifts. Grifts. Is that clear enough for you? Can we crack on now or do you still wanna slander me? Coming from the guy who gets called out on these forums for purposely misquoting other posters to change the context of what they are saying? Lol yea excuse me if i don’t care what you think or try to twist.
You’ve been caught red handed and xalled on it. Just recently I might add.
So sit down. Talk about the squelch, why you hate the fact it won’t let you act a fool, or just fill your mouth with cheese so we don’t have to listen to your dribble.
Or like i told you in the other thread.(which seems a bit on the creepy stalking side) Start an off topic thread and i will pwnagize you there.
Good day.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Yup again. Taken out of context. Here I’ll clear it up for you.
D3 is a game that Blizzard launched a few years back. One way to farm gears is with rifts and greater rifts.
In game people call greater rifts. Grifts. Is that clear enough for you? Can we crack on now or do you still wanna slander me? Coming from the guy who gets called out on these forums for purposely misquoting other posters to change the context of what they are saying? Lol yea excuse me if i don’t care what you think or try to twist.
You’ve been caught red handed and xalled on it. Just recently I might add.
So sit down. Talk about the squelch, why you hate the fact it won’t let you act a fool, or just fill your mouth with cheese so we don’t have to listen to your dribble.
Or like i told you in the other thread.(which seems a bit on the creepy stalking side) Start an off topic thread and i will pwnagize you there.
Good day.

Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that you’re going to engage in an activity that doesn’t exist outside of D3 in classic?

Well, I’ve stated your exact words.

You have stated that you want the auto squelch to stop “public shaming”.

You have also tried desperately to spin your words.

I’ll let people draw their own conclusions from your exact words, your desire to stop “public shaming” and your attempts to spin your words.

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

As will I. Public shaming you say? You know nothing of shame because you shamelessly misrepresent and get called on it:

Guild Banks Pt. 9999 ; Guild banks wont be in Classic

I’m not trying to show them as anything more than what they were. Guild bank alts were the player work around for the lack of a proper guild bank system. They both perform the same purpose, it’s just one of them is better for the games health overall, and it’s not the alts. Allow me to quote you: You must have slipped when trying to re-quote? The rest of that sentence changes the context substantially. You wouldn’t have done that intentionally.

As anyone with a 3rd grade reading comprehension level and does not possess a bias or wilful ignorance can clearly see you twisting and misrepresenting to support your view.

Now. I’m not telling you again. I’m done with your slandering of my name without actual proof. Please stop.
I’m not asking again.

Make that thread if you want to continue this cause I’m done with you unless its actually on topic.