I was in alpha first week for Shadowlands, the same type of people. It is pointless discussing anything with those types.
I was in a thread about Torghast right near the start and every single post was just saying how great it was - I said I didn’t care for it and didn’t find it fun and people down my throat for saying something negative.
No, that is not what is going on there. heh. I am not green here now either.
What happens is that the attributes and permissions are set at the group level. While a char can be in more than one group, they can set a Primary. Right now while I am still in the MVP group (two of them?), they have my primary set to the Council. Not sure if they will change us to have our own text color, give me my own group with dual titles or what. I am still green on the other forums under my Btag for CS/TS so it is all good. I am not worried about it.
I only noticed that section earlier today, gives me the option of turning off the Community Council title but I have no idea if it works or not. I wonder if the MVP title is in there too or if it’s its whole own thing.
I do hope that members within the Community Council find a way to better facilitate discussion between themselves and the community. There are still 75+ members yet to identify themselves or are still to be chosen, and of the current group there are still areas of the community that aren’t getting represented while other areas are getting over represented.
I feel like a Discord server, or a thread on the forums hosted by one of the members, to allow non-council members to express their ideas/thoughts would be a welcome addition and improve everyone’s trust/confidence in the system.
That title is set based on the attributes of your group. I don’t have the MVP option on this char at the moment. Not sure how the titles are set up in Discourse software.
You can be totally truthful. What you can’t do is use profanity, demand people be fired who you have not even met, use slurs and insults. That is what we are talking about.
Any idea you want can be conveyed without being a total jerk, and it usually gets better results.
Further, you can’t please everyone. Either a Dev won’t like your idea, a fellow Council member might not, other players certainly won’t. Some will dislike your PoV no matter what the idea is. Kind of like chocolate and vanilla. Some people hate one, some hate the other. Try offering strawberry and even more get mad.
Just be honest, be respectful, but get the point across. There is no retribution for that.
Let’s be fair here, some of the numbers are just 30 sec adjustments. It’s not rocket science and they are not on a timer when they start with the feedback. We are tired of their stubbornness and people are leaving for FF14 because of this, a game, which shouldn’t even be taken seriously by how rich the WoW universe is.
The bigger problem lies within the top food chain. They need to be replaced. They had two expansions time to get a grip on what the players want and they failed every time. The super minimalist catering to the raiders, the permanent neglecting of the Alliance and leaving “exciting” features run rampart (initial corruption gear comes into the mind) have shown that these people are either not skilled enough to run one of the most played MMOs in the world or purposefully produce an undesirable game to play.
People beg for years for minimal changes (add x transmog set, make y available to purchase inGame so it can be unlocked account wide with not one class but every class, etc.) have been hit with a tone deaf smugness.
It’s time for a bigger change and they better deliver it. Even FF14 with its smaller team can dish out more quality content than WoW - so why does our game lacks so much in every department?
Personally, my area of expertise is in, funnily enough, your name, World PvP.
War Mode and WPvP is an area of the game that I feel gets ignored. I’ve been reading the community council, and while a few of them say, “I mainly do PvE Mythic+ and Raiding, but I dabble in open world PvP and battlegrounds.” it really isn’t enough.
I wish they would pick players on the community council who actually care about the areas of the game that get ignored, such as WPvP. They literally have a War Mode and WPvP forum, but they ignore it.
Hand out invites to players who actually care about those areas of the game and spend a majority of their time doing it.
Give it time They are no where close to done intros and most people don’t even have invites or forum access yet. Pretty sure there will be at least one person who has an RP focus, and others who enjoy it as secondary activities.
While RP isn’t my cup of tea, yeah, I haven’t seen this either.
Not saying I have a problem with the current select council members, but so far, none of them have addressed areas of the game that I enjoy, that I feel is dead and gets ignored. I’m very passionate about World PvP and have so many ideas and so much input that I’ve given in the past, not just me but other players in the WPvP community on the War Mode forums, going years back, but it just gets ignored and buried under the forums.
I’m sure this has happened for RP and other areas of the game too, but it’s just sad.
In my opinion, what they need to do is allow players to comment on existing threads created by council members, but just not allow them to make threads in it. The only ones to make the threads could be the council members only while allowing others to give their feedback who aren’t apart of the council.
“I have no problem it high end content players or even streamers are represented but I want to know if the rest of us will actually be represented .”
This sums it up well. From the feedback I’ve read from the “Community Council” and the couple people I know who are on it, it’s all about how to appease the mythic plus and raid players and there is no representation for the “casual” player. From what I’ve read and heard, there is no concern about making the play experience for the “average” player, it’s all about end game raiding. There is zero concern for making the game more enjoyable for the average player, it’s all about appeasing the complaints that the streamers have been putting out regarding raid and the mythic plus community. It’s not shocking to me that they chose people who represent that small community that only does end game content, that is how I perceive this entire expansion.
Trying to keep your “streamer” players and those who only log on to knock out their weekly dungeons and raid is the theme of this expansion. No thought or care towards the “casual/for fun” player.
The current development team, especially it’s leader, seem more concerned about making the game more attractive to those who are “like minded” with the developers.
To make an analogy, it feels like the developers (especially leadership) have the mindset that since they prefer strawberry ice cream, that they think that everyone does as well. There’s a real disconnect between the players (customers) and this current development team. You can’t force someone to like what you do, but it feels like that is what they are trying to do. It’s a very narrow minded approach, that is not good for the state of the game.
Unfortunately, I don’t see it changing until there is new leadership (the whole disgusting sexual harassment stuff that they seem to be working hard to sweep under the carpet aside). New leadership is needed or the ship is going to sink. The game is not a viable commercial product in it’s current state. That’s not an opinion, it’s looking at how many subscriptions they are losing every month. There is an accountant at Blizzard who is cognizant of the financial losses, I just think the current leadership is too arrogant to listen to them. They don’t listen internally, so I have little confidence that they are going to listen to their “Community Council”. Arrogance cannot be overcome by reason, history proves that. The current leadership is arrogant (read the current lawsuits and make your own decision). I’ll probably get a forum ban for having an opinion that doesn’t support every decision this “team” makes, but so be it.
It is rather telling that there are about 3 council member topic threads and 2 are PVP… maybe a bit more diversity in the discussion? Only real observation I have momentarily. The other one is about collecting things in PVE but doesn’t really specify any specific details.
Outside of PVP not really seeing a lot of talk in the now 8 something threads about the content of the game itself, which I’d think would be the major concern, especially for 9.2 and probably in the workers 10.0.
I do like that there’s a guild/communities suggestion thread going, but one of the biggest reasons guilds ARE suffering is cause the game itself and our potential and new recruits are suffering, they just DON’T want to be in the game, much less in the game in a guild.
It’d help if maybe instead of concentrating all the “suggestions” in two threads one of which being the actual council member intro thread if they could spread them out to other threads even giving each issue it’s own thread and thus more public presence? Just a small suggestion.