Can we please have worgen tails now?

[Finalprayer-moon-guard]

@Milynde-malygos

No, we got cosmetic options for a race that was originally intended to be a fresh take on Thalassian elves and a continuation of Alleria’s story that started in Legion, as opposed to Blizzard giving the Alliance an NPC race whose sole purpose from TBC onward was to act as one of four Alliance foils to the actual blood elves (the other three being void elves, night elves, and draenei). They can’t display the name “high elf” on their nameplate, they can’t have NPCs call them a high elf, they have no high elven heritage armor, mount, racial abilities, etc.

And at least when Blizzard gave those options to void elves, they didn’t have to modify the rig to support it like giving worgen tails would likely necessitate.

Cosmetic options that do not fit the aesthetic and nature that is the void elves. The void elves were given more and more options that appealed to the High Elf crowd of players due to their very high demand. Their demand was greater than even current worgen players to this day when it comes to tails. Blizzard at the release of Void Elves retroactively gave more appearance options to them, allowing them to have skintones similar to their original High Elf counterparts. This is effectively no different than worgen players asking for tails for the reasons mentioned before:

@Finalprayer-moon-guard

Druid forms vary wildly between races, and individuals. Sometimes to extreme degrees, such as the werebear forms gained from the Druid Mage Tower. A tail, which logically would come from the Goldrinn aspects of the curse could easily be added.

This fits in line with the very concept of retroactively adding more options for races, just like they did for the Void Elves. They are not High Elves in name, but they can have identical appearances and the same customization as High Elf npcs. The only difference is quite literally in name. High Elves were given to the Alliance, being pedantic doesn’t rid of the reality that they were given the very things that aesthetically makes them High Elves. The situation of how High Elves were given was obtained this same exact way; A high demand for players to have appearances. The situation as the worgen players.

@Milynde-malygos

It’s a testament to derangement. Even the first post in that thread is just “Give worgen tails” instead of any real argument.

Derangement because a massive portion of worgen players want a cosmetic choice? Do you know how ridiculous you sound? Kevin/Kelly who started his level 8 worgen warrior thinks: “Hey, I wouldn’t mind a tail option for my character.” Goes onto the forums and request it here is deranged? All because thousands of other players thought to the same thing? 14.000 post from thousands of different players who all collectively agree they want tails for their characters.

@Milynde-malygos

(by extension) An environment in which a person is exposed to only those beliefs and opinions that agree with their own, so that their existing views are magnified and reinforced while alternative ideas are not expressed or considered.

It takes a quick glance to see that the thread is largely people agreeing with each other on wanting something that will more than likely never happen, in the vain hope that Blizzard will take notice (they won’t). The same thing is happening here.

Because its a popular feature, thats why the vast majority support it. That doesn’t make it an echo-chamber because your ideas are allowed to be expressed. You aren’t being flagged, you aren’t being mass reported. You aren’t being harassed into not stating your opinion. No, instead you are getting push back on your positions by many players because your positions argue against something they want. Its a debate, and you are on the less popular side. You are literally able to express your opposition.

@Milynde-malygos

@Finalprayer-moon-guard

To you and those like you, you end up just saying no for the sake of denying a very requested feature.

I say no because the idea is pure fanwank that had fuel poured on the fire thanks to a part in a book that the author admitted was an oversight.

If you actually read my post I didn’t even mention that oversight. You are arguing with a ghost here. I’m not even sure who said that in this thread. Who are you are arguing with?

@Milynde-malygos

@Finalprayer-moon-guard

It works in functionality of the lore

It doesn’t. You want them to write some hackneyed explanation for why worgen can now have a feature that they’ve never been shown having before.

Huh, I guess all those druid forms are also hackneyed, afterall werebears also weren’t a feature in the game for a while. I guess worgen as a whole shouldn’t be playable because they were literally retconed into existence to be playable. This is such a weak argument on your behalf. There is so many of these established ‘hackneyed’ explanations and straight up retcons. But a worgen tail is too much for you. That furry tail is just too far.

[Thaozotl-farstriders]

Bela Lugosi’s Dead.

[Lousipher-emerald-dream]

Even draeneis have tails.

[Wreckingbull-wyrmrest-accord]

good song

Bauhaus - Bela Lugosi's Dead (Original)

I saw them in Houston a long way back.

[Milynde-malygos]

Yeah, it’s obvious from you losing your mind in response to my opposition that you run on passion instead of logic, so I’m not sure why I bothered entertaining you before.

[Ventorath-wyrmrest-accord]

“Druid forms have lots of variation” isn’t an excuse to disregard consistency. It would have been a reason to provide the option upon release, but it is not a reason to add the option arbitrarily after 13 years.

Ask for a new race or Worgen-based Allied Race that has a tail. Worgen don’t have them.

Note: If Worgen ever get tails, I will use the option. I do think it looks better aesthetically. But until that happens, I’m against it, because I think things like this should remain consistent. People don’t randomly grow appendages, generally.

[Kyarlenthaya-borean-tundra]

Give Worgen Tails

[Finalprayer-moon-guard]

What? I gave you a rebuttal for each of your points, even though you obviously didn’t bother to actually read the first post of this very thread.

You made a statement about how Blizzard somehow didn’t give what High Elves players want, despite them actively catering to them in Shadowlands by giving them all High Elf the customization in Shadowlands after massive support.

Called the massive support of a feature “derangement” because said feature again; is massively popular.

And finally claiming this was an echo-chamber when clearly there is opposition.

Almost everything you said had been entirely emotion based, and actively ignores historic examples of Blizzard listening to the playerbase about customization. You made all these sweeping claims, and ironically was the very thing you claimed others were.

@Milynde-malygos

It’s a testament to derangement. Even the first post in that thread is just “Give worgen tails” instead of any real argument.

The irony. When you were given actual arguments you didn’t engage with them, and made some pre-made response about “W-Well worgen tail in Before the Storm was a typo!!!” Can’t make this up.

Going to entertain actual opposition.

@Ventorath-wyrmrest-accord

“Druid forms have lots of variation” isn’t an excuse to disregard consistency. It would have been a reason to provide the option upon release, but it is not a reason to add the option arbitrarily after 13 years.

Ask for a new race or Worgen-based Allied Race that has a tail. Worgen don’t have them.

Note: If Worgen ever get tails, I will use the option. I do think it looks better aesthetically. But until that happens, I’m against it, because I think things like this should remain consistent. People don’t randomly grow appendages, generally.

We don’t need an allied race to justify the differences that are found between druid forms. Appearances in druid forms are witnessed in some of the books between individuals. And in game as well. These differences aren’t exclusively across racial lines.

In the case of druids, they do grow those very appendages. Cat form having them, bear form completely altering the appendages present, travel form, and more. You can change the appearance as you see fit with glyphs in game for example as well. Outside of outright different transformations you have differences between two different bear forms.

You have options for bears with ribcages on the outside, bears with different anatomy entirely (werebear form as stated before), cats with owl faces and anatomy, cats with different effects, and many more examples. This doesn’t even involve the forms only available to NPCs despite them being just as Night Elf or any other playable race.

These differences can justify the more options worgens can have. Worgen do not operate under the same circumstances as other races, being more derivative of that of a druid form than anything else. Worgens having tails would simply fall under more customization options, and wouldn’t be inconsistent. It would be consistent to what the worgen truly are; A corrupted druid form.

[Beaupeep-draka (Beaupeep)]

@Magnarok-amanthul

squirrel tails.

Kronk with the Squirrel - The Emperor's New Groove.

[Keori-moon-guard (Keori)]

While I fully support this motion, as mentioned, we already have a tail thread and a worgen customization thread (that also includes tails). Let’s not clutter the forums though believe me, Blizzard knows we want tail options for our beloved worgen!

Give Worgen Tails

Give worgen tails

Worgen Customization Mega Thread

I made a video here which demonstrates everything I am wanting to say. If you do not wish to watch this video, that’s fine too as I will give the cliffnotes! [Wolfie407 - Worgen Customization in Shadowlands and How to Improve Them] First things first, I want to thank you all for checking out this thread and/or video. I am 15 year veteran to the game and a huge fan of the worgen race. I have spent countless hours making art of worgen or role playing various worgen characters thro…

[Finalprayer-moon-guard]

Awesome! I really do hope they add it soon. I been playing worgen ever since I joined WoW. When people were asking for new and better models worgen tails were up there with them.

Has Blizzard given you any updates on worgen tails? I don’t mean to clutter, I’m just very excited and wish to know!

[Keori-moon-guard (Keori)]

No news yet I’m afraid though I am remaining optimistic about it. Blizzard did mention something about Gilneas that’s going to be further down the line which has almost all the worgen players I know extremely excited. I think, if anything, worgen will get a little more love for whenever that will happen. We just have to have patience and see.

[Saángreal-moon-guard (Saángreal)]

All worgens should have tales. Long tales, short tales, tall tales, funny tales.

I mean they are my favorite genre of steampunk meets Van Helsing

[Pinköcean-wyrmrest-accord]

@Voodoomort-kelthuzad

But at the same time you gotta respect an artist that after this much pressure

Why would I respect someone for being lazy? Probably does not even play this game like everyone else anti tail.
(And I am not joking about that last part, inspect everyone’s profiles who are against tails, weirdest thing)

[Sasarai-blades-edge]

I genuinely think there’s like ten of you

[Finalprayer-moon-guard]

Thats why I didn’t even respond to them, lol. I thought they were joking.

High Elf, Void Elf, and Blood Elf customizations have been far more in demand. By thousands of post more in demand. Each and ever one of these topics separately have more demand than worgen tails by a longshot.

The Unofficial High Elf Discussion Megathread

Alliance High Elves Allied race Disclaimer: This is the Unofficial High Elves Allied race mega thread, We want to respectfully keep the discussion to stay in this mega thread, So the forums aren't contested by 500+ High Elf topics on the front page, any further threads about High elves or Quel’dorei made outside of this thread, will not be the voice nor representation or be in association with the High elven community. As it stands we would like to keep it respectful and for the discussion to f…

High Elf Allied Race Megathread (Continuation)

[image] The following thread is a continuation from the previous Megathread created in April of this year. *Disclaimer: This is the Official High Elves Allied race mega thread, We want to respectfully keep the discussion to stay in this mega thread. As it stands we would like to keep it respectful and for the discussion to focus on the developments and the story of Quel’dorei (High elves) since the last mega-thread. We do not condone trolling from either sid…

The High Elf Conundrum

I saw some comments on high elf customization and it left me pondering, high elves are apart of the Alliance and someone on Blizzard Watch left this comment which I will put here. Credit goes to MoveWoW at Blizzard Watch. “I keep seeing people claiming void elves aren’t high elves. They are. In fact, they are the ONLY playable high elves. Because the blue eyes are not what makes them high elves, their genetics don’t matter here, it is where their allegiance lies. A blood elf who has blue eyes…

These amount to…
41,220 total post asking for High Elves.

And they were given what they wanted, and likely even more. That is good.

Ion said around five years ago High Elves would never be playable.
In Shadowlands they explicitly state they were making new High Elf Customization, but only for NPCs.
The outcry was so great, they Ion and the rest of his team admitted they were giving these High Elf options to the playerbase.

But 14k post, a quarter of it opposition to the idea of worgen tails is too much pressure on developers. These guys are at best joking, or at worst just being dishonest.

[Kynladoria-maladath]

This is what I was hoping their heritage armor would look like instead of what we got.

What we got:

Look At This Dude Sound Effect

[Kynladoria-maladath]

@Milynde-malygos

Even the first post in that thread is just “Give worgen tails” instead of any real argument.

No ‘real argument’ needed. Give Worgen tails is all that needs to be said.

@Milynde-malygos

It takes a quick glance to see that the thread is largely people agreeing with each other on wanting something that will more than likely never happen, in the vain hope that Blizzard will take notice (they won’t). The same thing is happening here.

If Blizzard doesn’t take notice, nothing will have changed. If they do, I will come back to remind you.

@Milynde-malygos

It doesn’t. You want them to write some hackneyed explanation for why worgen can now have a feature that they’ve never been shown having before.

They don’t need one. Just like Pandaren don’t need a reason why black and white pandaren can have tails when they never could before.

[Finalprayer-moon-guard]

Careful, you are giving them opposition to their opinion. They might accuse you of being emotional, or contributing to the echo chamber for disagree with them.

On a honest note, its really strange that whenever you offer counterpoints to some of these guys. They just just plug their ears and don’t actually engage with the other parties are saying.

You offer a debate: They ignore your rebuttals and say you are emotional.

You offer examples of things being given because they were requested: They ignore it, and say: “Blizzard never listens to the fans!”

They say: “No.” And nothing else. And when you respond with an equally curt: “Give Worgen tails.” They say you have no argument.

The brainrot is insane.

[Taekwonduwu-moon-guard]

@Wreckingbull-wyrmrest-accord

Read the literature and movies

Literature says both. So, both it is.

@Voodoomort-kelthuzad

But at the same time you gotta respect an artist that after this much pressure just goes:

Not an artist decision, actually. The original concept art had tails.