Automation + Auto Kick + Auto Grounding + AI vs Rated PvP

[Ksxh-bleeding-hollow]

People need to understand this will impact PVE 1000% more than PVP and world first guilds running perfect PVE rotations with their F35 HUD UIs

[Thrallsdadd-ashkandi]

I realize that people doing this will have a massive advantage over people who don’t.

You will be required to do this if you want to be competitive. Blizz has no choice but to address it.

[Loldead-moonrunner]

@Thrallsdadd-ashkandi

It makes me wonder if some of the people at the top of the ladder with a 90%+ win rate are doing this. It always blows my mind when I see someone who only lost like 5 games out of like 200.

I’m guessing yes b/c I saw that Venruki vid last night and he even talked about people using it in AWC. The MoP vod’s I linked were from Hansol and Chanimal had a few as well back in the day but far less, I think he understood the risk.

This is why Blizzcon awc needs to be ‘in person’ not remote. I have no doubt that people can ‘ghost’ Synapse in on an outside SSD or some nonsense.

[Bertimus-sargeras (Bertimus)]

@Adreaver-undermine

5. Scripting - What is possible in a macro?

Scripting is an advanced feature sometimes used in macros. Be aware that scripting can’t be used to cast a spell, use an item, or take any other “secure” action. Secure actions are those things which are reserved for the Blizzard UI, and are not available to addons.

Essentially, if you use a script in a macro, you are using a micro-addon. It has all the abilities and limitations of a normal addon, but restricted to a 255 character limit. Useful examples are announcing cooldown or crowd control targets in a raid environment, calculating variables and returning the result (e.g. How many glyphs do I have left to learn?), or making non-protected spell casts (e.g. determining which mount to use based on what zone you are in).

There are far more possibilities available with scripting than I could possibly describe here, so if you have specific questions or a script you want to share, feel free to mention it here or post a new thread.

As a result of some scammers passing off malicious scripts as legitimate, Blizzard has implemented a Lua script warning anytime you run a macro with the “/script” or “/run” commands. You get this same warning if you type a script directly in the chat window without a macro.

The warning is essentially telling players to be careful of running custom scripts they get on the internet or from other players, that they should not run any scripts they do not trust.

@Mmr-maiev

/run if not (UnitCastingInfo(“target”) or UnitChannelInfo(“target”)) then ClearTarget() end;
/cast [@target, exists, nodead] Spell Lock
/stopmacro [exists]
/targetlasttarget

#showtooltip Blind
/cast [@focus] Blind

The reason that the clear target function is important here is because it more or less circumvents the bolded rule. The script itself is not actually deciding whether you cast a spell, it’s deciding whether you retain your target. The macro folloing the script just doesn’t have anything to cast the spell on depending on the result of the script.

@Mmr-maiev

# showtooltip 
/run for i=1,10 do local D = UnitBuff("target",i); if D == "Grounding Totem" then ClearTarget() end end; 
/cast [@target, exists, nodead] Hammer of Justice 
/stopmacro [exists] 
/targetlasttarget

Similarly, this one is just setting a temporary/local variable and then polling through unitbuffs a set number of times and then updating the variable with the output and then either dropping target or not depending on a specific condition. The condition is not specifically casting any spells, it’s just preventing the rest of your macro from running because it made you drop target before that line has a chance to execute.

It is just basic coding using a “legal” condition and function to circumvent things that you’re not supposed to be able to do with scripts. The end result is that your character presses its kick button and it either kicks something or not depending on if the target is casting.

[Loldead-moonrunner]

Yes you can get very intricate with them, esp if you use the addon that extends your Macro characters to over 1k.

@Adreaver-undermine

Macros cannot make smart decisions for you. They can’t cast spells based on cooldown, or check if a buff is active, or magically fit all your abilities onto one button.

Making this totally inaccurate. Not using cc/damage into certain things is ‘smart’ in pvp. I’ve got the quotes there because when player does it b/c awareness it is smart, when the game does it for you it isn’t but the result is the same.

[Thrallsdadd-ashkandi]

@Loldead-moonrunner

esp if you use the addon that extends your Macro characters to over 1k.

Why is this even needed? Who is making a macro this long?

[Loldead-moonrunner]

@Thrallsdadd-ashkandi

Why is this even needed? Who is making a macro this long?

You could essentially ‘automate’ your rotation and characters position with them, this sort of thing needs a lot of space. Hence why Blizzard limited the character number in the stock UI macro function. One of my early MoP demo macro’s required 500 char or something insane, so I had to get an addon to add characters to the macro tab.

Lots of people use them, it was mentioned earlier but it’s a big thing in pve.

[Kaivax]

We’re investigating this, and we will take appropriate steps to address it as soon as possible.

[Holycow-uldaman]

@Loldead-moonrunner

This is why Blizzcon awc needs to be ‘in person’ not remote.

Even in-person, they’ll need to check the PCs for word.exe .

The Most Embarrassing Cheating Scandal In CS:GO History - Word.exe

[Bertimus-sargeras (Bertimus)]

No, it is technically accurate, because the macro itself is not executing a condition. The script is only deciding whether you are retaining your target and the rest of the macro either executes or doesn’t based on the condition. It is important to use precise language. The outcome of your ability to use the script is the same as if you could put conditions into macros. It should be changed such that you can’t do this any more, but the scripts are not technically doing anything that breaks those rules by letter.

@Thrallsdadd-ashkandi

Why is this even needed? Who is making a macro this long?

Imagine tying scripts to check for all of the possible abilities you don’t ant to cast through, like grounding totem, aura mastery, etc. and your off global kick to every one of your abilities. The addon just stores the script/macros locally and runs the scripts not from your macro box because of the character limit in the box. There is no character limit when you want to just type /run in the chat window and do a bunch of stuff.

[Holycow-uldaman]

@Kaivax

We’re investigating this, and we will take appropriate steps to address it as soon as possible.

Thank you!

Please ban all the cheaters!

[Bertimus-sargeras (Bertimus)]

Love you mean it!

[Dreaux-emerald-dream]

@Loldead-moonrunner

No but this has been around forever. Check the date, these are way before 2018.

Circumventing the GCD means firing off more that one ability on the Global Cool Down at the same time (i.e. Colossus Smash and Mortal Strike in the same GCD)

@Loldead-moonrunner

Dead wrong and has been for over a decade. Think of every ‘one shot’ macro you’ve ever seen.

Castsequence Macro’s are not “Smart Decisions”. They are doing what you are asking them to do without variation depending on your key push. It is going to fire off unless the sequence timing gets interrupted. The majority of the time they are not very efficient but they still exist with some success. The Smart Macro’s that we are seeing know are butting “check” into your hard push of the macro to see if it is allowed to fire off. Like the one that shows if Grounding Totem Buff is active on the target then Intimidate would not go off or Spell Reflect and Hammer of Justice.

[Loldead-moonrunner]

Thank you so much, IDK how much longer my 3’s healer was going to play b/c this.

[Kennie-malganis]

@Kaivax

We’re investigating

Most reassuring This macro has been getting a lot of visibility.

[Loldead-moonrunner]

@Dreaux-emerald-dream

Circumventing the GCD means firing off more that one ability on the Global Cool Down at the same time (i.e. Colossus Smash and Mortal Strike in the same GCD)

Being able to clear global to use another dps ability is the same as not having one.

@Dreaux-emerald-dream

Castsequence Macro’s are not “Smart Decisions”. They are doing what you are asking them to do without variation depending on your key push. It is going to fire off unless the sequence timing gets interrupted. The majority of the time they are not very efficient but they still exist with some success. The Smart Macro’s that we are seeing know are butting “check” into your hard push of the macro to see if it is allowed to fire off. Like the one that shows if Grounding Totem Buff is active on the target then Intimidate would not go off or Spell Reflect and Hammer of Justice.

False, if macros prevent players from making mistakes it is a ‘smart decision’ made by the game not the player. See the Grounding prevention on HoJ? Smart. Maybe some healers wouldn’t be considered as bad as they are with these things out of the game.

[Powerline-blackrock]

Ohoho, are you trying to actually make a bot?

all that generally should be impossible w/o that 3rd party program unless you’re looking for a massive exploit.

What you’re trying to do is memory injection or providing a compromised execution environment.

This is what botting programs do when they’re playing in wow where they’re able to search for nearby targets to immolate.

Are you trying to be cute w/ this?

[Thrallsdadd-ashkandi]

Thank you!!!

This has been frustrating news to hear and I’m glad you guys are on it.

[Holycow-uldaman]

Also appreciate Kaivax made the post at 9:01 am Monday morning.

First minute of the work week.

Probably didn’t even have coffee yet.

[Swolethyr-emerald-dream]

Even if it’s fair to use it, I’m not. I know you guys will tho.