A possible compromise to RDF from an anti-RDF perspective

[Bloomsday-sulfuras]

@Tesalyn-pagle

that’s 100% BS.

@Donkaa-herod

No compromises needed because RDF doesn’t hurt anything. If the goal is to incentivize manual grouping, add the stat boost to manual groups instead of RDF groups

You were saying?

@Tesalyn-pagle

Its the anti-RDF folks who aren’t willing to compromise, except for the OP. This is literally the only thread.

@Goon-yojamba

As fellow forum lurkers may already be aware, I’m firmly of the no RDF persuasion.

My main gripe with RDF is how it impacts server identity, accountability and interaction with other players that exist in your game world (Realm).

To a lesser extent how it impacts interaction with the world with the teleport feature, but it’s not the hill I’d die on as flying mounts at 80 largely kill the whole travelling to a dungeon vibe and also levelling in vanilla for example is such a huge environment without a mount or with a 60% mount or even with a 100% mount it can take ages to traverse the continents to get to the dungeon.

So… you just make things up then?

[Dumbcake-westfall]

Bloomy is twisting words around. Another day that ends in Y.

[Bloomsday-sulfuras]

@Dumbcake-westfall

Bloomy is twisting words around

What words are being twisted? Please elaborate. Both statements from Tesalyn were proven to be incorrect. In less than 5 minutes.

Being proven wrong is not “having your words twisted”.

[Dumbcake-westfall]

I owe you nothing. Your reputation doesn’t deserve anything.

[Bloomsday-sulfuras]

@Dumbcake-westfall

I owe you nothing.

Because you can’t answer my question. That’s because no words are being twisted, Tesalyn was just simply proven wrong.

[Sämaara-azuresong]

this is par for the course and Bloomsday is usually not wrong.

[Dumbcake-westfall]

Bloom is never wrong. Just ask him.

[Tesalyn-pagle]

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

You were saying?

idk why you decide to act dumb.

RDF Compromise?

What if we got Random Dungeon Finder for old content only? So for Wrath the cut-off would be lv70 TBC Heroics. I feel like a lot of what is salting the wound for people is that they want to level via dungeons. Finding groups for dungeons and running to them, as a low level, feels punishing. its old content. let us have RDF.

Rdf compromise solution

Give mega servers RDF except Grobbulus cuz they are cool and make Fresh servers no RDF for us Chad hardcores who are apparently gonna play for <90 days

A fair compromise for RDF. No cross realm

You took away RDF to “encourage social interactions” with the belief that on going repeated interactions with the same people is an important piece of community building. I agree that repeated social interactions are very important for building the community. For tanks and healers the RDF system vs the current lfg system in beta is a wash. Both systems give these classes instant groups with zero effort. In fact, the LFG system will allow tanks to selectively choose the DPS they want. Which mean…

The official RDF/LFG compromise

As the representative of the WOTLK player’s union guild, we have come up with the official RDF\LFG compromise that we believe is acceptable to both the union and Blizzard Developers RDF is to be implemented into the game with the following restrictions; Realm only Non heroic level 1-79 dungeons The LFG system will remain and be required for all 80 heroics, Nax 10 and 25 man. The WOTLK player’s union guild would like an official response

https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/w9i3ww/rdf_what_about_compromise/
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/w1okhe/as_a_compromise_for_the_people_that_want_rdf/

Took me whole 10s to grab first few links But the list goes and on and on and on and on.

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

you just make things up then?

You’re yet, in all these months, to provide a single source of your big claims.
Not a single time you cited a single source. But when we cite sources, you dismiss them.

You’re a worthless troll. Hope your knees don’t hurt from all favors you’re doing to Blizzard.

[Confidence-heartseeker]

Awkwardly you went and linked my thread, and I am an Anti RDFer and it was an Anti RDF thread that was simply a compromise because now I’m on Grobbulus, as evidence that there were no Anti RDFers who were willing to compromise.

[Tesalyn-pagle]

That makes it 3 of you so far. Doesn’t change my original point that most compromises are made by the people who actually want it.

[Dumbcake-westfall]

Lookit! Another troll has entered the fray. I swear when you attack one, they all start popping up.

[Bloomsday-sulfuras]

@Tesalyn-pagle

idk why you decide to act dumb

I’m not the one being proven wrong by literally the 2nd post in the thread. I take it that you didn’t read the thread, did you?

@Tesalyn-pagle

Took me whole 10s to grab first few links But the list goes and on and on and on and on

Right, and the post saying “No compromise needed” has 7 likes, which is more than all of your linked threads combined. You even liked it yourself. Moreover, Confidence has been vocally anti-RDF, so that’s more evidence that anti-RDF is willing to compromise.

You just destroyed your own argument. Pro-RDF is largely unwilling to compromise. Thanks for proving that for me. So let’s not pretend it’s anti-RDF that’s being belligerent here. And let’s stop making things up. Thanks.

@Tesalyn-pagle

You’re yet, in all these months, to provide a single source of your big claims.

I just did in my prior post, which you conveniently ignored. You also ignored me linking another thread that proves your statement about this being the only anti-RDF thread looking to compromise. Everything in your post was wrong and my posts prove that.

@Tesalyn-pagle

But when we cite sources, you dismiss them.

Yes, I will continue to dismiss invalid sources. Provide a valid source and it won’t get dismissed.

@Tesalyn-pagle

You’re a worthless troll. Hope your knees don’t hurt from all favors you’re doing to Blizzard

And here you go lodging the insults, which in unsurprising. It’s usually what people resort to when they can’t keep up in a logical and civil manner. Do you think that helps your cause?

@Confidence-heartseeker

Awkwardly you went and linked my thread, and I am an Anti RDFer and it was an Anti RDF thread that was simply a compromise because now I’m on Grobbulus

I mean, is there anything more needed to say? Some people just can’t help but destroy their own arguments and credibility.

[Confidence-heartseeker]

@Tesalyn-pagle

That makes it 3 of you so far. Doesn’t change my original point that most compromises are made by the people who actually want it

You said there were none and were attempting to “Fact check” Bloomsday using my post saying that there was no evidence of anyone else, and a quick search obtained you unwitting evidence of another Anti RDF compromise thread. It actually kind of undermined your point and now the burden of proof is on you, because mine was one of the top results. Argue with Bloomsday if you want, but let this ridiculous absolute die

[Zaalg-ashkandi]

@Dumbcake-westfall

They don’t care. Truest thing you can possibly post. They monetized our time and I have no doubt they have an algorithm that shows max profits via timegating.

Sad but true. It’s clearly not a design decision to remove RDF. There’s some other metric guiding their decision.

[Confidence-heartseeker]

@Zaalg-ashkandi

Sad but true. It’s clearly not a design decision to remove RDF. There’s some other metric guiding their decision

Conspiracy theorist. You better have evidence to make this claim

[Bloomsday-sulfuras]

@Confidence-heartseeker

It actually kind of undermined your point and now the burden of proof is on you, because mine was one of the top results. Argue with Bloomsday if you want, but let this ridiculous absolut

Yup, and they still call ME the troll! Is it any wonder why pro-RDF has largely been unable to convince anyone at this point?

[Dumbcake-westfall]

I’m just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Patiently anticipating the 70 boost announcement. They’ve never waited this long for a cash shop item announcement.

Getting my popcorn ready for that.

[Zaalg-ashkandi]

I’m wondering when exactly the 1-per-account boost restriction is going to be lifted. Because it will be lifted; just a matter of when.

[Tesalyn-pagle]

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

@Tesalyn-pagle

idk why you decide to act dumb

I’m not the one being proven wrong by literally the 2nd post in the thread.

You saying you proved me wrong by linking someone’s first comment is not you proving anything.
There, I just proved that oranges are actually yellow. Just like that.

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

“No compromise needed” has 7 likes, which is more than all of your linked threads combined.

@Emmortahl-nazjatar

@Pazorax-1880

feedback on how to improve the tool and make it better

Best way to make it better, is to remove it and put in RDF.

and this one has over 400 likes.
and 10 replies later, my comment has nearly 300 likes.

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

Pro-RDF is largely unwilling to compromise.

says who? you? based off what exactly?
I liked first 7 links I could find in first 10 seconds. One of them was anti-RDF OP. Sure, so you’re going to ignore the rest? As per usual. I can link you dozens more.

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

I just did in my prior post,

link it agan. And not the blue post saying “we’ve heard community feedback”, because clearly they haven’t. I’m looking for hard numbers.

Yall claim how we are the loud minority. So if you to follow your absolutely pure-guess logic, how exactly did they hear the feedback from those who don’t talk?

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

Yes, I will continue to dismiss invalid sources. Provide a valid source and it won’t get dismissed.

Who are you to determine that wowlogs is not a valid source? You are just going to dismiss 30,000 voites? Just like that? Because you don’t like it? LMAO

[Sethyl-faerlina]

People said that for TBC too…

Lots of conspiracy theory here.

Also, of course Blizzard make decision that generates revenue, it’s a business. That’s how business work. If they ever get a clear business case that RDF could drive revenue, I have no doubt they will implement it.

In the meantime, I was making a hypothetical discussion around compromise for RDF seeing how it’s absence is literally ruining the entire expansion for some people…