1.12...What's the point?

Really… Warrior charging through the World - all the time. Arcane explosion with a cast time. Not enough quests to get to 60 with…legit mob grinding for ~6-8 levels. No connected flightplans. Diablo-esque class design/talents. Eternal firelord spawns that don’t despawn. No merchant buyback. 5-10 minute trash respawn in some instances. And on and on and on… Why don’t no changers ever ask for those things to be brought back?

No changers want 1.5AV but 1.6 battlemasters but 1.12 talents but 1.8 bug fixes but but but…

What most of the no change crew really mean to say is: “Make Classic as similar to my Private Server as you can, Blizz. We see our private server frankenpatch as authentic and that’s what we want."

#frankenpatch

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1.12 was and will continue to be the right choice.

They confirmed 16 debuff slots at BlizzCon.

In hindsight yeah. But lol, companies are cheap man. Even if you’re swimming in money. I used to work for investment banks. Talk about cheap…

I tried to push for the 1.1 talents and get people to actually take time to read patch notes from 1.1 ->1.11 but no one cared. There is a few of us that wanted a truly authentic experience. The No Change crowd sits in 2 spots.

People that want 1.12 private server mode
People that want a product that Private servers have never offered and only Blizzard and offer again.

Sadly the 1.12 private server crowd had the most support.

Basically mages and warriors are going to be absolutely god tier once they get some raid gear.
Bestial Wrath hunter will exists on launch so it will be the only spec worth playing for the most part.
Healing is simplified because mana regen and talents allow for better mana control.
Fury warrior damage is insane on in 1.12

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Why go all the way back just to go forward anyway? Lol.

Everything past Ulduar was terrible. The current game has been dead for almost a decade.

Someone on @TipsOut’s stream said that they had found earlier backups a few months ago, but I can’t find any confirmation of it.

If they do have those backups though, and can plug in valid procs and internal values, I don’t see why we can’t have progressive itemisation, 8 debuffs for the first three content patches and all the other things that go with that.

Not so much every patch, but at least manage the raid gearing vs boss difficulty better.

They confirmed that the didn’t seem to be any reason to need to allow more than 16. They never confirmed 8 vs 16 progressive patching wouldn’t happen.

That’s not what I heard. I heard straight-up they’re doing 16 slots.

And bwl lol

Blizzard can’t offer anything pre-1.12 because they barely have anything pre-1.12.

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In a discussion on whether to have more they said there’s no reason to have more than 16. If they do progressive itemisation, they will likely do 8 slots too.

That’s a huge if.

Its a huge question across the Classic-sphere right now. Slightly behind sharding, but not by much.

If they don’t have the data for it, they won’t do it. I know there’s huge databases out there that have all the data but that’d mean they’d have to go so far as to reconstruct all of it using those external sources; I don’t think that’s particularly likely.

That was what all my comments above were based on. If they have the data…

This onwards: 1.12...What's the point? - #87 by Eloraell-moon-guard

Precisely!

Actually we don’t know if they can or not. Pretty much everything we seem to know seems to be that much of that data was overwritten because of how they patched back then. We know they have found bits and pieces, but even if they wanted to they may not be able to do it simply because they don’t have that data and have no way to correctly reconstruct it.

Not going to do them much good if they can only partially do it.

Honestly, it’s why I say no changes has really been split into 2 camps. One wanting nothing more but official private servers, and then others want what is close to the authentic Vanilla experience. Not 1.12, but not 1.1 either. But anything where you can get a feel for what Vanilla was like in its entirety. Not just the end.

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If they can’t recreate something by retracing their steps, then how on earth did they even make World of Warcraft to begin with?

I guess the original dev team had god or aliens to help them.

Hell, these people must not be getting paid either, I guess they’re doing it for charity.

Iv’e only been here since March of 2005 and there’s a lot I missed out on and I don’t think those of you that came in 2006 or later truly understand how much this game has changed, otherwise you would probably ask for something different and not be willing to take what you can get.

Yes the content plan is a good idea and solid, but it is NOT the true classic.

I don’t mean to be rude, but if you didn’t play classic and you don’t want more than one of the last patches, I don’t know why you’re here. It will get done either way and you will play it.

What I propose will give this project even more of a fighting chance.