The reason people like the original lore and story of wc3 is because it is better. updating model of structures and correcting unit models is the best way to bring things up to date. which is in most cases already struck.
so i’m fine, now instead of human archmages in quelthalas we’re going to see high elven archmages. (just a small example of a huge amount of similar changes being done).
Purists are loud but not so many. Blizzard knew it. Reforged team took advantage of them and made excuses of lazziness out of what purists said. So, it is not the purists’ fault and they are no more than pathetic. Take it easy dude. There is only 2 weeks left and nothing can be improved before release.
I haven’t caught up on this thread from this morning but I do not think what I said was understood. I talked about how WoW made changes to Wc3 lore that make sense in WoW and make WoW more fun, but they would make Wc3 less fun if you made the same changes to Wc3. Some people are discussing how it is stupid to be a fan of old lore.
I was not advocating old lore. I meant to advocate impactful lore. If a storywriter at Blizzard decides character dies, let them be dead. This would be true for new lore decisions in a new Reforged storyline as well.
Edit: I brought up this point because I think that a lot of people coming from one game or the other do not know how to express themselves well. They believe that because WoW lore that made WoW more fun would make Wc3 less fun it is therefore objectively bad lore. In reality, that is not a very rational claim. But when we say in our Warcraft III storytelling that characters like Cenarius, Mannoroth, Muradin, Mal’Ganis, Archimonde, and others die (all of whom were retconned back to life in WoW) there just is no need in Warcraft III to retcon them back to life. What, would you doodle on the ending cinematic from RoC a picture of Archimonde’s immortal demon soul slipping a way just to make it consistent with WoW? No one wants that.
And likewise, if Warcraft III Reforged retcons Arthas back to life after the ending cinematic of Wrath of the Lich King in WoW and continues his story for fun, I think this would be totally fine. It would mean Wc3 was treating WoW lore as WoW treats Wc3 lore: it’s not that important, as long as both games are fun.
Because there really isn’t one anymore. All of the people with the “work and soul” you describe have quit Blizzard or retired from the business entirely. I’m honestly trying to be optimistic about the future, but it’s hard to when it becomes increasingly clear that the Powers That Be simply do not give a damn about anything except their wallets.
Nope. Despite many plot holes and inconsistencies WC3 lore is good. No need to insult the purists because WoW writing indeed ruined it.
However, we can still ask or demand for a future update with Reforged Campaign to appease WoW fanboys and purists
Do they? Only most famous ones are gone,but there’s a lot of great arists,level designers,writers etc who are making a perfect and entertaining universes like Overwatch
Name me a 5 objective reasons why the “Classic Warcraft III” is better than the WoW version of the Third War?
No thanks, WoW lore is garbage, WC3 is good, go to WoW and enjoy your Sylvanus the WindSlayerOfWorld, I don’t care. If they are gonna rewrite the story of WC3 it probably just will end up with some lesbian feminist SJW girl destroying whole world, I don’t want that, no offense to SJW members though, do your job without spoiling our videogames.
Correct me if im wrong but wasn’t one of the marketing tag lines “The classic campaign reforged and remastered” or something like that. I do understand people being disappointed since reforged does sound more like a remake than a remaster. Although im satisfied with what we are getting in the end I would have liked to see a reforged campaign. More character development for some people. Or just to see more of them. Jaina, Antonidas, Garithos, Vol’Jin hey Shandris is Tyrandes stepdaughter and she doesn’t do anything(she is like a general or something). I know they are making new maps for certain parts which is fantastic honestly the Quel’Thalas missions were pretty meh(I replayed the campaign 2 months ago).
You make several good points, although I think you amke one flaw. The 5 other demigods are actually not “invented” for the mount Hyjal quest hub, but were even existant pre-WoW. This comes to show in RAzorfen Kraul/Downs with the huge body of the Agamaggan which the entire instance of Razorfen Downs is located in i believe. Anyways, all your other points still stand and they are definitely some good points.
It is better.
Then perhaps you might be better off posting in the forums that do support your native language.
I prefer to keep the Classic campaign there, as a reskinned legacy content; though I also prefer the inconsistencies there fixed, update terrain and some plot holes addressed, maybe we could add some slight cutscenes to flesh out some characters; but the main Classic story is to be still there
My biggest gripes were the sudden appearance of the Highmountain, the Dream Grove, and the Vault of the Wardens in Suramar region. The rest I don’t care
But still, I prefer if we could just bet our $40 to wait or demand for a future update for an additional Reforged campaign where almost all campaigns are updated.
To make WC3 even gooder Help me pool whatever inconsistencies you find so Blizzard could fix them here:
And if we help address the plot holes, we could make WC3 the goodest:
never played WoW but I’m pretty sure Sylvanus is the most hated character right now
WoW lore is terrible, messy, jumbled crap as a result of “LiVe SerViCe” needs. They basically need to churn out ideas and updates to keep people subscribed, some of the stuff that comes out of that is terrible.(TIME TRAVELING ORCS WITH HUMAN COLOURED SKIN)(DRAENEI ARE ACTUALLY GOOD EREDAR THAT TURNED INTO PIRANHA MEN BECAUSE THEY INHALED TOO MANY BAD VIBES) etc.
MMO is just a bad format for storytelling compared to single player games imo.
That said, I welcome a genuine reforged, which is what I think we’re getting. Looking at the art, they clearly weren’t aiming for WoW, but something all it’s own, that’s what I would want with the story and the cinematics.
I mean, I don’t want them to George Lucas it, but I see nothing wrong with expanding on things that felt rushed or unfinished or lacked polish in the original.
lemme insert these ones here shamelessly; we need to keep these threads up and running for Blizzard to notice:
Are you okay? Have you ever read canon story of the third war? They already did rewrite the story and it was amazing - new canon made this story deep,interesting and emotional - much more than it was originaly
Wrong.
New writing was BAD writing and completely ruined the story.
In wich way? Story that was writen for the Third war is amazing and classic just sucks compare to that
Every way.
Your so-called “improvements” have been written by the same people who’ve been driving Warcraft lore down the crapper since TBC.
I don’t feel like getting into specifics. Just know that I hate roughly 90% of what they’ve done with the lore since then.
You don’t have any arguments to that
Doesn’t matter anyway; even if I did give examples of their bad writing you’d just say I’m wrong. You drink their swill like it’s the best sh-t on the market when in fact it’s not.