funny thing is, what you described there is the perfect description for the whiners…
just look at this thread
or this thread
and now tell me, that especially these two guys have somewhat usefull arguments in their “discussion”.
in both cases, each of them starting to insult everyone, who doesnt agree with them. would you really say, that these two are the “mature” and “argument based” characters in their discussion?
or here, another gem:
so each of these three is a prime example, why your claim isnt true at all.