😡 Don't delete Symmetra, Make a New Hero instead #SaveSymmetra

[HotRamen-11929]

if it were up to me, i would actually delete symm and mei.

[SasakiKojiro-1452]

Symmetra’s orbs are stupid . Her left click is boring. Her barrier toss was a mistake that rarely has value.

I can think of a few ways I’d have changed symmetra as a character while still keeping to her theme and type of gameplay.

Blizz did none of them and decided here’s a giant wall. Not impressed.

[Raja-21253]

I seriously despise any Sym players who aren’t happy about the rework. It’s a pure blessing for our community, and much like Hanzo, Sym won’t ever be considered as a troll pick.

[JangBahadur-1968]

@TheJN-2163

This must be such a tricky situation for Blizzard. “Fixing” a hero without losing their core identity. Especially when the original hero already got such a strong community.

I don’t play Symmetra but I know I would be a bit concerned if i played a game as Mage and suddenly the devs change everything about the class and said “You’re a warlock now”…

I would love to hear a Dev insight on this topic.

First they said in a Dev Update that Symmetra only needs minor buffs.

I was like “Phew we are in good hands”

Then we Geoff posted how the Turrets are changing.

I was like “Wow they are going to make Sym’s clunky Turret mechanics a lot better”

So at this point I thought they were doing well.

It’s when they announced all the other changes, I was like "This is just deleting Symmetra from the game.

@Geese-1675

Let’s remake the other heroes like Sym 3.0 will do to her!

Me first:

McCree

New gun: Now he has a laser pistol that makes 30 dmg/s while it is hold.

His secondary is an Ai assisted laser that marks the enemy while hold and then shoots a powered laser bullet shot when released.

His new E ability is a new version of his old Ultimate, where he slowly waits while he concentrates on someone, powering the shot at 60dmg/s. Whoever is nearest the target becomes his victim. When he presses the fire button, he releases the concentrated damage at 1 unique shot. The cooldown is 12 seconds.

His new Shift ability is the joke: McCree says jokes like “what is that?” or “look! the cavalry is coming!” and every opponent in his field of view and at a maximum of 10 meters away from him is forced to look backwards

New Ultimate - Flashbang: Now McCree holds an extreme version of his flashbang, where the enemy has a big flash on the screen that lasts for 1 second and gradually returns to normal in 0.5 seconds. This flash is seen wherever the enemy is on the map (except if dead).

HAHha!

Reinhardt

Gravity Hammer now called Sniper Hammer.
Hammer now extends to long range, up to 15 m away.

Firestrike now travels faster, explodes on impact and does not penetrate.

Deja vu anyone ?

Earthshatter is now an ability.
When cast it shakes the ground. Allies gains a 15% damage buff. Enemies gain a 15% damage nerf.

Charge is now the Ultimate called Shove.
With Shove, Rein extends his hammer across his chest horizontally and shoves everyone, knocking them back 10m.

@WeebTrash-11175

The only way that she could actually be viable GM was if she was insanely OP in lower ranks, and it’s likely she still wouldn’t be good at attack

All these statement are untrue.
The stats show Symmetra’s the same across all ranks.
The stats also show that Symmetra’s fine on attack.

@SirShaggy-11820

You’ll still be setting up turrets, lobbing orbs, using your TP, microwaving at close-range, and holding down chokes. The rework takes the best aspects of her kit and makes them have more skill-rewarding and flexible. I can’t wait.

Eh I can hold chokes and blow people up with a Junkrat.

It is how Symemtra does her thing, that’s what makes her unique and that is now being removed from the game.

@JangBahadur-1968

But the problem here is that the skills Sanjay has are fundamentally different from Symmetra’s skills. His skills serve very different purpose in the game.

Saying that Sanjay’s Teleporter is the same as Symmetra’s Teleporter is like saying Reaper’s Teleport is the same as Mercy’s Resurrect.

Saying that Sanjay’s Photon Wall is the same as Photon Barrier is like saying that Mei Wall is the same as Reinhardt Barrier.

Saying that Sanjay and Symmetra are the same hero is like saying McCree and Soldier are the same hero.

@NighthAwk-13514

I vote 100% in favor of deleting current symmetra.

You must be fun at parties.

@Prett-1169

Can you just wait until the rework actually comes out before judging it? Geez.

Based on the suggested rework, we already know they are removing her from the game. We would like to keep her in the game instead.

@gungay-11542

the people asking for a rework are not the same people who are against a rework.

And then there are people who want a rework but don’t like this direction that they are taking her because it totally changes the hero to the point where it is akin to deleting them.

@Prett-1169

Does that disprove my point that people should wait for the rework to come out before judging it? No, not really.

Why wait for a hero to be deleted before speaking up?

@gungay-11542

no lol im just saying that you were implying something that isn’t true.

Like more of the commenters here.

@January2035-2426

They could always just accept that she won’t be viable in GM, and just leave her for those who want to play her.

She is viable in GM.

@Zwei-11485

That’s kinda the point.

Her current kit is utter crap and there’s practically nothing you can do to make it viable without it being OP.

That’s a factually wrong statement.

@JangBahadur-1968

Sentry Turrets

Movement speed reduction during Turret deployment reduced to 0% (down from 25%).
Cast time of Turrets reduced to 0.7 seconds (down from 1.4 seconds).**
Turret Deployment range increased to 15m (up from 10m).
Turret Cooldown reduced to 8 seconds (down from 10 seconds)
Enemies hit by Sentry Turrets are revealed through walls to the rest of the Team.

Photon Barrier

The size of the Barrier is increased.
The barrier is made concave.
The Barrier spawns closer to the player.
The cooldown of the Barrier is reduced.

Ultimates

Pressing Z (status of Ultimate), reveals the location of the Ultimate to Teammates through Walls.
Ultimate health is increased to 500 (up from 400).

@anon92350617

You and the OP are really pushing it, don’t you think? Aren’t you all aware that Symmetra has been classified as the worst hero in the game for the past 2 years? There’s a reason she was the first hero to be reworked, and even it didn’t do anything for her. You simply can’t deny this.

Well actually Dva was the worst hero. /s
Saying someone is the worst hero does not make them so.
And there is a difference between worst hero and a hero that no one understands how to play.

@Haitham-21231

Oh wow ,only one mention of sanjay !

Maybe you’ll finally stop the comparasion in your next thread.

Why stop a fair comparison?

@anon64855457

blizzard already made the rework… symm will be fine.

Sanjay will be fun to play, I assure you that.

But Sanjay is not Symmetra.

@iPatrick-2869

I have no problem with making current heroes useful before adding new ones, cause Sym is currently everything but useful.

The stats do not agree with you.
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Symmetra can be buffed without changing her so much that she is a another hero entirely.

@KlFelipe-1623

If you knew Symmetra you would know that she can create anything, that she can be in any class (tank, dps, support, defensive) just by creating the appropriate tools.

Yes I know Symmetra very well. She should not be removed.

@Terranguard-11978

It’s really not.

[quote=“JangBahadur-1968, post:1, topic:83632”]
Sorry you don’t get to wish it away.

@anon64855457

0,74% pickrate in GM… yes, alot. xd

That is a lot for a hero no one understands how to play and sees as useless.

@HongKongNo1-3302

They already made Moira and Brigitte

And they should add Sanjay to the list.

@Mahaf-1611

The general issue with Sym (and melee/short range heroes in general) is this is an FPS. Plain and simple. The S stands for shooter.

So are you advocating that we remove Reinhardt, Brig, Winston, etc?

@Andough-1183

I just honestly despise Symmetra’s mechanics as they are atm. I hate playing her, and I don’t like playing against her. I hate her gun, I hate her turrets, I hate her playstyle…I’m not a fan of any of it. So I’m personally 100% okay with them getting rid of the current Symmetra, and redesigning her.

You may completely hate a hero but if there is a community of people who really like that hero, why should we delete that hero?

@anon64855457

her turrets will be more powerful… so that part stays

It’s the only part I want to stay, because her current Turrets are kind of clunky.

When I heard they were doing this change I was excited, it’s the other changes that chagne Symmetra entirely and remove her from the game.

@Sandity-1715

Symmetra- “Im not feeling so good…”

angry deletion noises

Implodes

@Redgrave-12641

What the hell even is this Sanjay BS and why are you treating it like it’s something official instead of something people made up?

“What the hell is reading and why are you expecting me to read?”
Ftfy

@Oliver-14799

This post is way overblown. Relax and try out the rework. You may love it!

I probably will. But it’s so far off from Symmetra’s core, that it deletes Symmetra form the game. That’s what makes me angry.

The Devs should add a new hero instead of removing a hero that a part of their community enjoys, albeit it’s a small part of the community

@Andough-1183

I never called for her to be deleted lol.

You said you would be OK if she was. When you really shouldn’t be.

I would not be for such reworks that change heroes so much that they essentially remove them.

If McCree was suddently made into a projectile hero. I would not come to the forums to say “I am ok with this change because I personally hate McCree”

I would instead say “McCree becoming projectile, remove sthe hero from the game. Blizzard should add a new hero, instead of removing McCree”

@BaconPiano-1515

She will never be meta if people are too scared of change

Not every hero will be meta. We just have to accept it and not be scared of those heroes.

@Twist-11709

I’d die laughing if this was ever an actual ability.

Have you seen the ultimate of Deckard Cain in Hots?

He says “Stay a while and listen” and everyone falls asleep lol.

@Prett-1169

People who are judging it have literally no experience with it. Just basing their opinions on damage values and ability descriptions.

Ability change descriptions are enough to know how the ability is going to change… if you can read that is.

@HotRamen-11929

if it were up to me, i would actually delete symm and mei.

That’s not the attitude we should have towards heroes we don’t enjoy playing against.
I don’t enjoy playing against Pharah but that doesn’t mean we should delete this hero.
If tomorrow a hero you enjoy playing was getting completely redesigned to the point where they were unrecognizable then I would not support that type of rework one bit.

@SasakiKojiro-1452

Blizz did none of them and decided here’s a giant wall. Not impressed.

And they changed everything about her to the point where it’s now a different hero.

Here’s some really crazy out of the box thinking… Why not just add that new hero as a new hero?

I bet no one’s thought of that.

@Raja-21253

I seriously despise any Sym players who aren’t happy about the rework. It’s a pure blessing for our community, and much like Hanzo, Sym won’t ever be considered as a troll pick.

I seriously despise any players who leave comments like that. They don’t read, they don’t make any effort to understand the situation and remain in ignorance to what their fellow players are saying.

[BaconPiano-1515]

ok some people have took my term “meta” the wrong way

it probably wasn’t the best word for me to use

in other words if people are too scared for change she will always be a pain to play compared to other heroes… even the weak ones!

[NighthAwk-13514]

@JangBahadur-1968

You must be fun at parties.

Says the guy who just quoted like every single reply in this thread in one post and wrote a book.

But it sounds a lot like you didn’t read the rest of my post where I provided the reasoning for that statement.

[Terranguard-11978]

@JangBahadur-1968

Sorry you don’t get to wish it away.

he responded to when I said it’s really not deleting her
You can’t just wish it to be so. I can’t wish it away because there’s nothing to wish. She’s getting changed but her core concept never does, she’s still point defense with slowing turrets and her utility with the teleport and the new ult. Her lock on was something people knew her for but it hardly defined her.

[Twist-11709]

@JangBahadur-1968

Have you seen the ultimate of Deckard Cain in Hots?

He says “Stay a while and listen” and everyone falls asleep lol.

I have lol. Honestly I find his whole entire kit to be hysterical and full of Diablo memes.

“Lorenado” lol.

[Mahaf-1611]

I’m not advocating removing any hero. Just stating a fact-based observation on how terriblly awkward it always ends up being when you try to put a beat em up in a shooter environment.

[Andough-1183]

I said I don’t care if she gets reworked. I never advocated, in any sense, for her to be deleted. Those are not the same thing.

I explained earlier that I don’t consider a hero being reworked the same as a hero being deleted. At that point, it’s just what you define “deleting” as.

I’m sorry I don’t care about Symmetra. At no point am I trying to convince anyone to change their stance on Symmetra.

[Zwei-11485]

People on this forums practically just cover their ears and go “LALLALALA” when someone proves them wrong so I wouldn’t even bother.

[Ephemiel-1266]

Yeah, don’t remake one of the least played or cared about heroes in the game so she’s given a new lease on life.

[TheAngryFek-1101]

yeah no as a person with a lot of sym time under my belt I welcome the changes

[Bronex-11649]

I wonder how long it took him to put all those links :x

[SoLIDSnAKE-12727]

The hero is considered a troll-pick since 2 years ago, blizzard needs to change that

[JangBahadur-1968]

@Terranguard-11978

She’s getting changed but her core concept never does, she’s still point defense with slowing turrets and her utility with the teleport and the new ult.

Dude it’s HOW she does that is what makes her Symmetra.

I mean Reaper Teleports, if he started Teleporting his Team, it would no longer be the same skill. It would no longer feel like Reaper.

If MCree was changed to projectile from hitscan he’d be Hanzo.

You don’t get to wish away Symmetra’s Deletion from the game.

Read the threads where I talk about how she is fundamentally changing at her core, which makes her an entirely new hero.

@JangBahadur-1968

But the problem here is that the skills Sanjay has are fundamentally different from Symmetra’s skills. His skills serve very different purpose in the game.

Saying that Sanjay’s Teleporter is the same as Symmetra’s Teleporter is like saying Reaper’s Teleport is the same as Mercy’s Resurrect.

Saying that Sanjay’s Photon Wall is the same as Photon Barrier is like saying that Mei Wall is the same as Reinhardt Barrier.

You’ve been an immense force in arguing for a correct Bastion rework, I don’t know why you are so blindsided when it comes to Symmetra.

I honestly expected better from your Terranguard.

Please read the above thread.

@Twist-11709

I have lol. Honestly I find his whole entire kit to be hysterical and full of Diablo memes.

“Lorenado” lol.

Do you know where they got that from?

@NighthAwk-13514

Says the guy who just quoted like every single reply in this thread in one post and wrote a book.

I don’t like the new forums either. You can’t reply twice, so gotta write them novels bruh!

@NighthAwk-13514

But it sounds a lot like you didn’t read the rest of my post where I provided the reasoning for that statement.

It sounds like you didn’t ready the rest of my opening post where I provided the reasoning for why your reasoning is wrong.

@Mahaf-1611

I’m not advocating removing any hero. Just stating a fact-based observation on how terriblly awkward it always ends up being when you try to put a beat em up in a shooter environment.

It’s fing fun!!! Dude what are you complaining about. Melee in shooters has always been a blast.

The Energy Sword for example was the SHEEET!

@Andough-1183

I explained earlier that I don’t consider a hero being reworked the same as a hero being deleted. At that point, it’s just what you define “deleting” as.

Where the hero is changed so much that they are no longer the same hero. At that point the hero is being deleted.

Read the opening post. Click on the links explaining why this is new a hero.

@Ephemiel-1266

Yeah, don’t remake one of the least played or cared about heroes in the game so she’s given a new lease on life.

Yea just kill her instead so she never sees the light of day.

@Zwei-11485

People on this forums practically just cover their ears and go “LALLALALA” when someone proves them wrong so I wouldn’t even bother.

… He says as he covers his ears and shouts LALALA at the top of his lungs.

@TheAngryFek-1101

yeah no as a person with a lot of sym time under my belt I welcome the changes

Dude 9 hrs in quick play is not a lot of time.

Take it from a dedicated no-life 300 hour Sym main.

@Bronex-11649

I wonder how long it took him to put all those links :x

well I wrote the threads in the links, so you got a problem, huh bub?

@SoLIDSnAKE-12727

The hero is considered a troll-pick since 2 years ago, blizzard needs to change that

Then stop being ignorant about the hero. Learn to play them and see how they are useful.

Like it’s not rocket science. Learn to see what the hero does and you won’t think hey are troll pick.

@BaconPiano-1515

in other words if people are too scared for change she will always be a pain to play compared to other heroes… even the weak ones!

Dude I’d probably like the new Heroshe’s turning into. But that’s my point, it’s a NEW HERO, just add it as a hero 28 or 29 or whatever.

Blizzard is a GIANT in the gaming world. They have enough resources to make a new hero.

They have no excuse for deleting one in the game.

[Andough-1183]

@JangBahadur-1968

Where the hero is changed so much that they are no longer the same hero. At that point the hero is being deleted.

Read the opening post. Click on the links explaining why this is new a hero.

lmao I don’t know how else to put it. I DO NOT AGREE. I read your OP. I do not agree that it’s deleting Symmetra.

And I am not trying to persuade you to change your opinion! Your opinion is yours, it’s 100% okay, and I am not trying to tell you otherwise. I am not telling you that your opinion is wrong. You are allowed to feel that it’s deleting Symmetra.

I don’t hold that same opinion and I am not speaking on anyone’s behalf other than mine on that belief.

The more you keep trying to tell me my opinion - which I am never stating it as anything other than my own feelings - is wrong, the more I’m inclined to respect yours less.

[Terranguard-11978]

@JangBahadur-1968

Dude it’s HOW she does that is what makes her Symmetra.

I mean Reaper Teleports, if he started Teleporting his Team, it would no longer be the same skill. It would no longer feel like Reaper.

Except Sym has always and will still teleport teamates so I don’t see the comparison. The range changed and the positioning changed but not the main mechanic.

@JangBahadur-1968

If MCree was changed to projectile from hitscan he’d be Hanzo.

Except she’s not getting some weird weapon it’s still a charge up beam weapon

@JangBahadur-1968

You don’t get to wish away Symmetra’s Deletion from the game.

There’s nothing to wish away because she’s not being deleted.

[Andough-1183]

Apparently, if we don’t agree that Symmetra is being deleted, then we’re apparently hardcore advocates of her getting said deletion.

[Nibelung-1264]

@JangBahadur-1968

I don’t like the new forums either. You can’t reply twice, so gotta write them novels bruh!

Just a quick PSA, only the OP can’t reply twice in a row. Probably, to avoid infinite bumps. You need at least one extra post before you can reply again to your own thread.