Mercy doesn't feel empowering anymore

[Megadodo-11847]

You take them out of context, though.

Here is my confession, if you insist: I use Valkyrie for various things, but so far, best thing it does is escaping. It doesn’t keep teammates alive well, and it doesn’t boost them well, unless there is support ult from second support to keep them alive in the process.

again, this doesnt sound like a Mercy problem,. it sounds like a player problem

[Cleopatra-21937]

I work with what I got. Still, having only one player able to get things done with my buffs on them out of 5 is very low ratio.

[KazTehOne-1516]

You take them out of context, though.

No. I quoted them, with links in which the context is more then there. Do you really want me to go step by step in each individual conversation now and show exactly who you were replying to in what matter, that would make “it’s an escape button, as soon as you hear any ult” and “for me valkyrie is just that: ult you can easily throw away, and no one will even notice. Escape ability on charge, if you want” Sound any less like you saying you use valk to escape.

[Cleopatra-21937]

You didn’t quote what I were responding to, so again, you took them out of context.
And yes, I see Valkyrie as some weird “escape ability with charge”, that happens to have “lazy mode” for beams.

Judging by what it provides, it seems to be it’s main purpose, as most of benefits allow to stay away from fight or easily avoid attackers. But it doesn’t seem to benefit teammates that much, which I find odd for support ult.

[Zergotto-2668]

dude you’re amazing.
Even with pictures you managed to not understand.

*graphic shows mass rez was one the worst ults in the game.
dude: “let’s balance it by adding cast time and los check and remove invulnerability”

And that is somehow not gonna hurt tempo rez.
Sure.

[Hauven-2768]

Agreed, I know the feeling. Thankfully role queue has made this more noticeable. I don’t support OWL either, but you only have to see how Mercy is played there, compared to other main healers (and she’s not played all that often either, in comparison to the other main healers).

[Ginger-12314]

The problem wasn’t her ult, it was her midfight. It doesn’t matter if she ults when she has nothing to do after bringing her team back.

[IsTheMedia-1302]

Just use her as an off-healer. You get more value out of damage boost and Rez and feel more like you’re providing something to the team when not trying to focus on healing the most.

I mean it goes against what the devs said about her but playing her like that made her more fun for me to play.

I got outhealed by a Zenyatta but got like 3x the damage assists-also didn’t need to use Rez as much cause the threat was taken care of before my teammate could die.

[KazTehOne-1516]

@Cleopatra-21937

You didn’t quote what I were responding to, so again, you took them out of context.

@KazTehOne-1516

Do you really want me to go step by step in each individual conversation now and show exactly who you were replying to in what matter, that would make “it’s an escape button, as soon as you hear any ult” and “for me valkyrie is just that: ult you can easily throw away, and no one will even notice. Escape ability on charge, if you want” Sound any less like you saying you use valk to escape.

You asked for it.

Context #1

@dad-13801

Valkyrie isn’t an escape button for Mercy. Granted, it won’t outheal everything, but it’s a massive advantage for every teammate to have 60 hps applied on them when engaging a fight for example.

@Cleopatra-21937

It is an escape button, as soon as you hear any ult.

Context #2

@Cleopatra-21937

I don’t agree. I think Valk has a flat inherent value that makes it ALWAYS good compared to mass rez which was SOMETIMES good.

There is difference between “good” and “useful”. It’s like infrasight ult: is it useful at any time to see enemies through wall? Yes. Is it good? No, it’s not going to make your team much better.

For me Valkyrie is just that: ult you can easily throw away, and no one will even notice. Escape ability on charge, if you want.

Valkyrie is as good, as your team. No wonder even pro players don’t like it.

Context #3

@Megadodo-11847

In my opinion, good Mercy players support their team, rather than flying away from them

Going down with the team isn’t on my to-do list.

This sounds to me like a self-fulfilling prophecy

-team engages enemy
-Mercy decides not to support them with Valk so that she can use Valk to escape
-team dies due to lack of support from Mercy
-Mercy uses Valk to escape, saying “see? they all died”

Bonus

Context #4

@Megadodo-11847

Players who use Valkyrie solely to escape, and don’t support their teammates, are imo in essence forming a self-fulfilling prophecy

Team: heal us!
Mercy: I need to reserve Valkyrie to escape when you all die
Team: {dies} after no support from Mercy
Mercy: {flies away} see, I told you I’d need this for escape

Good idea, since - again - there is zero difference in results, with or without Valkyrie. I can repeat it as long as it takes, until you understand it: +10hps don’t turn situation from “whole team takes too much damage and dies” to “team survives”.

Already tried it, and not going to repeat same mistake again.

The odd thing is is that in other folks games - those I watch, those I play - it does make a difference.

Almost every time

Context #5

@Cleopatra-21937

When they’re separated like this, GA loses a lot of value as it requires LOS, and the range of her beam puts her closer to being in harms way. She’s really not a good hero for these situations, which is why Moira is both better and more effective since her wraith form is always reliable and her orbs have limitless range.

I’m sorry, but Mercy is at a point now where I just don’t like seeing her on my team.

That’s what you save Valkyrie for, ironically. It’s bad ult for sustaining team, but it’s great escape button.

Mercy had almost all power taken away from her, but Moira isn’t that great with vertical mobility.

Like… Iunno what else to say here. These are your own words.

[Matsy-21502]

This is getting juicy.

[Cleopatra-21937]

And I am not ashamed of it: if my team is bad, I will use Valkyrie to escape. And yes: it doesn’t tank any ult either, so when one is activated, it’s time to get out.

[Megadodo-11847]

Kaz, I am out of likes at the moment.

I will pay you proper respect as soon as I get some more

[KazTehOne-1516]

if my team is bad, I will use Valkyrie to escape.

Well, That’s all I asked for. You to be truthful.

That still is a reflection of your own gameplay though. Like, that’s not a mercy issue.

Kaz, I am out of likes at the moment.

I will pay you proper respect as soon as I get some more

Lmao, don’t worry about it. I do it for the luls to be honest.

[Squishie-21448]

All 3 have ways of healing through/around barriers.

Teach us how ana heals someone inside winston dome

[Cleopatra-21937]

Well, hope you had your fun. I found it boring, to be honest, and something obvious to anyone playing Mercy in regular games, that have no comms or chat.

[ShadowDragon-2151705]

nano

nanoboost

hehehehaha

[IsTheMedia-1302]

No offense but all I’m seeing here is that Cleo gets the most value from Valk by using it as an escape.

I mean it’s versatile enough that everyone can find a part they find works for them the best.

I use it for damage boost or diving back lines.

Some use it to just pistol and go after high ground heroes.

Some use it to patch-up after a push.

Some use it to make call outs.

I mean what’s wrong if they find the best use is escaping? It keeps them alive doesn’t it?

[Unstable-11376]

Completely agreed. I would happily trade rez for more healing output.

i agree

but no one wants to do that

[Cleopatra-21937]

Only one thing: it doesn’t keep my team alive, unfortunately, unless they are really elusive. Then again, 60 hps aren’t that great, when you have 2-3 enemies targeting someone on your team.

[KazTehOne-1516]

Well, hope you had your fun. I found it boring, to be honest, and something obvious to anyone playing Mercy in regular games, that have no comms or chat.

Well, higher elo Mercy’s just don’t seem to agree. We’ve got Ryan who frequents these threads saying how much they enjoy new mercy and the benefits current valk does have, that doesn’t involve it as an escape button on charge.

Maybe that is what it’s like in low elo, but if that’s what you’re doing in low elo, maybe that’s why you’re still in a low elo. Continuing to repeat the same things is just going to end up giving you the same results, which is only hurting your own gameplay.

No offense but all I’m seeing here is that Cleo gets the most value from Valk by using it as an escape.

That was what was being presented yes, because they specifically said they didn’t use it that way. I’m glad you fully see them acknowledging thats how they use it and gain benefit from it though. You helped prove the point that those words do say exactly that.