Plague DK players

Why is it every time I play against someone running Helya they ALWAYS start off with the card? Like it’s literally always in hand, but if I decide to play plague DK, it takes halfway through the game before the card shows up literally happens every time. Not saying them starting off with the card improves their chances of winning, but I have noticed it as a constant. That card just always magically seems to be in their hand.

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Why is it OP is subject to confirmation bias?

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I KNOW, RIGHT!? Plaque DK players are the luckiest in the game.

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It’s because they bought the +30% Value Diamond Helya bundle.
Clearly, it’s a conspiracy and not something logical like you remembering the bad but forgetting the good.

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game is rigged by algorithm. game plays you . not you playing the game.

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Is there something in the water or is HS forums being overtaken by 4chan? Every other poster is a conspiracy nut.

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Where are your barbies?

Unless you’re playing against a strictly noninteractive opposing deck or one that relies on heavy early draw. It’s not even the correct play to keep Helya on the mulligan.

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Undoubtedly y’all don’t read in the forums because I literally wrote having Helya In hand doesn’t necessarily mean that they win. I truly believe there are a lot of people who use these forms just to try to see if anybody is criticizing their beloved games. They’ll read like the first sentence or so and then immediately try to attack somebody for daring to have criticism of this game.

Because you are complaining about something. At this point i am guessing to see your own post. Are you upset they have it in hand because they are beating you? You say no but your opening statement says otherwise. If it’s not a big deal that they have Helya in the opening hand i am curious what the problem is??

beat me to it

barnes will be barnes

Lost to a plague dk, running to the forums!

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Finally, a reasonable suggestion in the first replies to a topic like this. :grinning:

You should have tried it against singleton Warrior when plagues still used to disrupt the mechanic, so it was a race of who’d play the relevant cards first, roughly Brann vs Helya.

With dozens of games played, you’d find Helya always to be one of the bottom cards maybe 19 times out of 20, moreover, they’d be guaranteed to dodge any plagues like real pros and play their key cards on curve.


By the way, according to my rough estimates, those in whose favour the game is rigged have roughly 5-10 times greater chances to find a single copy of the card that they need, having 20+ cards still left in their deck and little to none active drawing engines, than you getting at least a single copy out of two available, despite having drawn half of your deck or more and mulliganned aggressively for it.

They don’t start topics that the game is rigged, though. They either swagger, e.g. like this:

— or make troll posts against those who point out that something is… suspicious with the game’s supposedly ‘random’ effects.

Oh, when you don’t need it, this card will be virtually guaranteed to show up in your starting hand — especially in the next match after the one that you’ve just lost, having been looking for the card for the whole game. :grinning: There was a topic about it, but I can’t find it right now — could have been deleted.

[UPD] Found it: Oh, There You Are .

So yeah, in short, the card(s) you’re looking for has a substantial ‘bonus’ chance (close to 100%) to never show up in the match where you need it, no matter the odds, and then show up in the starting hand of your next one if it’s (situationally) useless in that match-up — just to rub it in.

Who is this “y’all” that you speak of, some lesser spawn of the old gods? :grinning: By the way, you don’t really ‘read in the forums’, that’s a wrong preposition choice, but otherwise — you’ve noticed the obvious, namely the lack of reading skills.

:grinning: Maybe you don’t know these forums so well just yet. Welcome… to the machine. :grinning:

Spoiler:

I should add that they are often first to comment in any new topic with their stock replies.

The aforesaid statements in general pertain to this topic as well.

Which is what you’d expect on average, by the way.

By the way, in case it wasn’t clear, that’s a possible reason, according to the theory described above, why they’re getting it so consistently — exactly because they don’t strictly need it. :grinning: Aren’t the bulk of those Plague DK players F2P guys with a loaner or free deck anyway? Thus, they very well might be on the receiving end of what they call ‘The Algorithm’ — the one doling out their dues to players. :grinning:

Precious, you are being trolled and you are happy for it. Can’t make this stuff up :smiley:

Silly confirmation bias aside…

If you keep / or hard Mulligan for helya you have a pretty good chance of having or drawing her in hand by turn 4. People better at math can count the percentages but it’s probably close to 50%.

The card is also a trap though. In a lot of agro matchups you actually don’t want to keep her or play her on 4 because then you just die long before they draw any plagues…

I wonder how many people skimmed past the second part of my reply and thought I was actually seriousxD

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That’s always a problem with irony and satire: some people will take it for a confirmation rather than a condemnation.

Yeah, yeah, that famous ‘bias’ — especially the one when the opponent refuses to ignore the obvious facts that are… uncomfortable for your particular agenda. :rofl:

What’s there to calculate? If your starting hand is 3 cards and you ‘mulligan’ it all, then by turn 4 you’d have drawn 10 cards out of 30 in your deck (naturally, without any additional draw, but you can account for that Chillfallen Baron separately if you want to, it’s not hard — see below), so that’s a conditional probability of 1/3 to get that one card. There’s also a 3/30 chance to get it in the opening hand, so the total chance is about 0.9*1/3 + 0.1 = 0.4 (ignoring the intricacies of ‘mulliganning’, if HS has any — I dunno).

If you go second, then the starting hand is four cards, so you have 4/30 + (26/30) * (2*4+4)/30 = 0.48 (I actually bothered to use a calculator for it, lol).

If you assume that chances to go first and second are equal (which, by the way, is just an assumption, a theory — just because they’re strictly equal for all players combined, obviosuly, doesn’t mean you’re not gonna get advantaged or disadvantaged), then the total average chance is 0.5 * 0.4 + 0.5 * 0.48 (otherwise you could substitute your actual probabilities as ‘weights’) = 0.44 .

You don’t need any analysis (calculus) or ‘fancy’ probability theory for these simple estimates, anyone who hasn’t skipped maths (and grammar, but that’s not the point here) classes at school in favour of playing Hearthstone :grinning: or something like that should be able to do it, I think. However, I’m not suprised maths is not the fad on these forums — it’s mostly those guys armed with their ‘OPINIONS’… I was looking for a suitable link, found this — it’d do, I guess: Even single-player game is rigged ; that topic is surprisingly (or not, given how repetitive these forums are) relevant, even that old nonsense about ‘bias’ was mentioned yet another time there. :grinning:

Ever had one of those moments when you for once said something meaningful without even realising it? You probably had it then, but didn’t realise it. :grinning:

(Upd.: typo fixed)

It seems to be a bit over 50% if you have two copies to get it by turn 4. Surely it will be lower probability with just one card in deck. Still pretty high probability if you hard mulligan for it.

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It’s the best card in the deck xD

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