Celestalon re-iterates Hearthstone is not rigged

https://x.com/Celestalon/status/1874895708333150425

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In case restating it helps anyone: These conspiracy theories are unequivocally false. Your deck and collection are not a factor in matchmaking, whatsoever. You’re just experiencing random variance.

Nothing like that has ever been used on Hearthstone (nor have I seen it on any other Blizzard game, but I don’t work on them to officially say that).

A) Things get patented all the time, defensively, doesn’t mean it’s used.
B) Anything is possible, regardless of patents.
C) You’re aiming your concern at the wrong company/team. You’re thinking of Activision (Call of Duty), not Blizzard (Hearthstone, WoW, etc.).

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ive seen people claim its rigged on other games without a patent being used as an argument

like mtg arena

those posts seem made by children who were allowed to win by older relatives for so long they cant handle the posibility of losing a game!

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but wasn’t mtg arena actually caught rigging something or other? i remember people talking about that on the forums when it happened.

So, Carnivore, you’re saying you believe the game is indeed rigged then? After all you incessantly state the devs are liars and cant be trusted, therefore you MUST believe the game is rigged based on Celestalons commentary, right?!?

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If by “caught” you mean “openly states that their casual queue attempts to match rarity distributions” then yeah, I guess. It doesn’t lead to better matching, I can vouch for that firsthand.

Makes me wonder why all the fuss to hide something their competitors simply state that they do, but whatever.

No. MTG smooth out your land draws in your starting hand. It applies to both players so not rigging. What you had were bad player crying when they lost more because they didn’t get free wins from land screw.

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it’s certainly not something the tabletop version allows, lol.

It kind of is, since a lot of mtg players will mana weave when shuffling to guarantee better land distribution (and get away with it).

WHEN they hide the truth that’s not their MO. They do it with half of the truth and never with direct falsehoods.

Direct falsehoods are very primitive propaganda because a disgruntled employee can easily expose them.

Also in this case I also understand the software engineering of it.

They don’t have to rig to make you lose: they just raise the MMR.

People used to claim rigging in MTG when it was a pure card game. Literally the same claims made here. “So and so is using some shuffle rig, no one can get that lucky”

Everyone believed everyone else was some shuffling magician master

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I never heard about this from the digital side of the game. Makes sense since that is the fatal flaw of the physical game.

Funny thing about that. When i grew up as a Kid my aunt played cards with me all the time. She was a dealer in Atlantic City for 10 years. She showed me every card manipulation trick you can think of and i practiced to be very good at it. When i started going to MTG tournaments in the 90’s i caught many players using these same techniques and got them DQ’d. I was actually one of the first active judges because i got sick of players cheating like this.(which was absolutely rampant at the time). There’s articles from back in the day talking about how much cheating was going on because of the money involved. So many well known players and house hold names were basically cheaters who never got caught early on because most never knew what to look for.

I don’t know how often it is done now since i stopped playing in the early 2K’s but before that it was a REAL problem.

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It was a big deal and it was found by players.

I analyzed shuffling in a million games : r/MagicArena

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That makes sense since they probably didn’t want players to quit playing because they got land screwed, which was a common cause of players losing.

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The land draw rigging wasn’t the issue, it was the lack of transparency about it. No one complained when eternal tcg did the same thing, cuz they clearly spelled it out in advance.

“I work at blizzard and find blizzard innocent of any wrongdoing.”

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There’s no such thing.

By the way, here and in some other quoted passages this guy sounds just like forum… apologists — both clueless and pro-company.

Yeah, about that — ‘conspiracy theories’ in general and those involving evil mega-corporations in particular, that is — check out the full post below:

When looking this up, mostly for the DuPont case as an example — they have blatantly lied about it for decades — I also came across another… character referring to a ‘standard variance’ (it’s not a thing, not a term, just a meaningless word salad, like banana phlegm, farthing flymum). What have I just said about this guy sounding just like those forum shills? :grinning:

PS For those with short memory spans: compare with ‘random variance’ above.

I might be taking the phrase out of context a bit (can’t be bothered to open the original post), but no matter.

If you mean RNG manipulation in general, this statement is just blatantly false, I’ve written about it, for brevity, I’m gonna leave just the key reference here one more time:

https://liquipedia.net/warcraft/Pseudo_Random_Distribution .

What do they say in such cases, 'nuff said? In other words, ‘I bear no responsibilities for whatever lies I say here’. Or the guy just has got no clue about what’s going on there.

By the way, those forum types don’t officially work for Blizz, either.

Yeah, when you’re absent for a year and find your wife pregnant upon your return, it’s probably Darwinian spontaneous life generation — anything’s possible, it’s probably just an ‘RNG event’, right? Right? There’s nO eViDeNcE that an adulter might have taken place, such a mad conspiracy theory must be ‘unequivocally false’.

Yeah, like it’s not their subsidiary. This isn’t even funny.

Ah, another believer in the magic of so-called ‘MMR’… Or shoud I say, ‘Here we are again…’?

You probably don’t understand it well enough.

What do they call it, a self-illustrating example?

Yeah, like card tricks haven’t been performed by sharpers. No, never in recorded history. See no evil:see_no_evil:

Ha-ha, nice!

Well, that’s almost ‘Bingo!’. :grinning: One small detail: that guy doesn’t have the gall to openly admit working for Blizzard officially.

If you think the devs of a game meant for entertainment are lying to you about denying you wins to make you feel bad, why haven’t you quit?

I don’t think these people really believe it’s rigged.

Only a masochist would continue playing a game they truly think is rigged agaimst them.

They just like to think it’s rigged to justify their poor playing.

No one plays a game if they really believe their actions are pointless.

What are you even talking about. Celestalon i.e. Chadd Nervig has worked for Blizzard for nearly 15 years holding leading positions in both World of Warcraft and Hearthstone.

He has full access to the source code of Hearthstone.

Not that you ever had the capacity to understand any of it, considering your narcissism keeps making you believe the game is rigged

It’s funny how being mentally deranged makes you cognitively incapable of functioning sometimes