You have to look at the bigger picture. Who do you think pays for this game that you enjoy? It’s people who are willing to pay money to collect golden cards. If those people’s interests aren’t protected, it’s not good for the game as a whole.
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I don’t understand how you can misread this entire thread. No one is complaining about free cards they got during the course of playing the game. These are people who invested lots of money to create full golden Classic collections. Can’t you understand the difference?
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Those people understood the cards were rotating to Wild and crafted them in gold anyway. There’s a huge difference, night and day.
The point is that the Classic set was supposed to remain evergreen and based on that understanding, these people crafted the cards in gold because they were told they would always be able to use them in Standard. Why shouldn’t they be compensated somehow?
These people crafted the Classic cards in golden believing they were making a safe investment in a product that could remain useful for as long as they play Hearthstone. Now the Classic cards are no longer evergreen.
Anyway, I think I’ve said enough and been involved enough regarding this topic. I won’t be posting or replying anymore about the topic because I think all the important points have already been made enough times and the criticism is usually coming from people who either don’t understand the issues or don’t want to acknowledge the investment made.
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nothing will change,
someone gullible will follow your step and repeat infinitely.
there is lot’s of prime example we can see from pay 2 win gacha game with 100++ server
every progress separated by server and game publisher are allowed to close the game anytime they want and reopen the game by using the same name and sometimes different game name title.
just look at them, they are still surviving after more than 15 years.
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Do we know if we can dust the golden copies of current basic and classic cards we own that will become Core Set? That would be a huge amount of dust!
Also, we’re getting full legendaries and epics from the Core Set. That’s more than my collection now, I still don’t have Archmage Antonidas, for example.
People that crafted a lot of or a full Golden Classic set do have a legitimate complaint.
I suppose it is possible that when they add those cards to the Core Set, if you have the Golden version in Legacy, then you’ll also get a Golden version for your Core Set. That way you can still play your Golden versions in Standard. You’d just have to keep your Golden Legacy versions in tact.
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I know I said I wouldn’t say anything more but something occurred to me that I feel I should express.
88 cards in the new Core set will be from Classic. It’s reasonable to assume that the Core set will continue to include many Classic cards in future years as well.
So someone with a full golden Classic collection will have 88 golden cards in their Core set from day one. That’s got to be worth something, hasn’t it? Essentially, they get to keep a pretty good portion of their Classic set in Standard. Moving forward, in future years, it’s reasonable to assume that they will continue to have a large portion of the Core set in gold each year.
So, in conclusion, their investment won’t have been in vain as they will continue to be able to play with a large portion of their golden Classic set while everyone else will only have regular versions of the Core set available.
I don’t need to point out that a full golden Classic set means you can play in the Classic format with a full golden collection.
Thanks KingofHeaven - I think there is some merit in what you have said. 88 Cards will remain that can be played and used.
According to Hearthstone Wiki the Classic Set contains 240 cards (don’t hate on me if this number isn’t correct - I am not about to go through and count them!). I still think as this is a profound change to the way Hearthstone plays, and I stand by my comments that they have breached their original selling standards - I believe there is still scope for compensation…
88 in play leaves 152 cards that are unplayable in Standard. I think it is only fair that these be reimbursed fully - as they will no longer be playable in the format for which they were marketed and sold under.
Under the new rules - “Golden versions of Core Set cards can be unlocked by completing Achievements associated with winning games as each class”.
Essentially new players will get the 88 Golden Classic cards we had to craft with dust/cash for free. If we overlook that - and I solely focus on the legalities of this change - Blizzard are not breaking their code of conduct on these 88 cards as they are still playable.
I feel it would be a fair compromise at this juncture - to compensate players fully for the cards that are rotating out of standard on this occasion - by enabling them to dust them at full value (so we could choose to keep the cards or disenchant). In future years if other cards rotate back into Standard as part of the Core Set and we have dusted them previously - we will get a normal copy along with everyone else with the option to get it to golden by completing achievements.
At least with this solution - players who did invest in a full Golden Classic Set will have a substantial dust collection for their monetary input into a system of play that has now been made largely defunct.
If players wish to keep their full Golden Classic Set because they are happy to play them in Classic Format - that can be down to personal discretion. For me - I enjoyed playing my Golden cards in Standard alongside the rotation cards that came with expansions. I don’t really want to stay fixed in a format where it is solely Classic Cards. I enjoyed Hearthstone back in the day of course - but it really took off for me when the expansions followed.
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I am very upset about the departure of the classic maps. I can go to the hospital for depression, which is blamed on Blizzard for leaving the classic card collection. Blizzard must compensate for the magic dust to create all the classic cards for the price of 40 ordinary dust and 1600 legendary cards, as well as for the gold 100 ordinary and 3200 legendary dust. Magic dust will please many people and you will not have to go to the hospital for treatment.
I have 20 gold legendary classic cards in another account. Who will reimburse me for my losses? all these transfers. Snowdrifts. Savagery. Badly. Hospital. Treatment ?
Blizzard must pay me my salary for 35 months. All payments for rehabilitation. Get a new job.
Will I expect a refund for the classic 64,000 magic dust cards?
Blizzard owes me to pay for the hospital, hospital, ward, and medication as compensation. Osteoporosis is the plague of the 21st century. Blizzard must have known.
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That’s exactly what I did. Maybe YOU should do the same.
I don’t enjoy this game. I make money off of it.
Wrong. The vast majority of the money comes from people just buying bundles and few packs so they can actually PLAY the game. Only a very minor sum comes from the super entitled rich kids.
Wrong again. Losing a minor income is not bad for the game. Losing the “middle class” of players, who pays the most (summed together) would not be good for the game. Wake up.
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Yes, paladin, these are hard times. Schoolchildren do not want to spend money from their breakfasts. The exchange of breakfast for boosters has a negative impact on students.
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I think everyone who has high amount of ranked wins will get the golden core set cards. Atleast article says “Golden versions of Core Set cards can be unlocked by completing Achievements associated with winning games as each class.”
I hope it will be something like:
100 wins with class for class neutrals
250 wins for class rares
500 wins for class epics
1000 wins for class legendaries
Neutrals same but with every class so neutral legendaries would require 1000 wins on all classes
Мой друг! Будем надеяться, что в Близзард примут правильное решение. Мы все будем долго и счастливо пока смерть не разлучит нас играть в Hearthstone.
Blizzard is really just gunna screw over the loyal players who supported the game. They should really compensate the long time players somehow.
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I think a huge step like this would need to be re-thinked better… everyone likes the free dust except the company, they made a great change to the game, they have screwed around whales and collectors in particular, they should compensate something. They should play fair and find a middle ground, find a solution that would be a compromise, not zero but not full refund either. E.g. they could make all classics simply free from now on, part of the core set or not, same like basic is now, both golden and normal, and just auto-disenchant them for all, for normal disenchant values. Or something similar.
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They need to acknowledge that this isn’t right for veteran players.
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In a year, each player must contribute 5-10 dollars to HEarthstone, so that the Hearthstone project is not closed. It can’t be any other way. Hearthstone doesn’t need to be closed.
Exactly… At least don’t pretend “we are all good”. Anyway everyone will have (almost) everything to play, as Ghost was mentioning toilet paper somewhere once, and it will be great for newcomers (I wonder how many of them will be there though). But this move just leaves VERY bitter taste for veterans, whales, heavy investors in classic etc. ANY type of dust compensation would be in order. I agree with ppl saying NOT MAX, that would ruin their economy, but not zero either.
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Update on seeking compensation for Classic Set Cards.
I had a reply from the Citizen’s Advice Department regarding the potential mis-selling of Classic Packs. Here is their response:
We understand from your message you have purchased virtual collection cards from Blizzard/Activision and they have now advised they will no longer be compatible with your game mode and they will not refund despite terms previously being they would refund in a resource to craft other cards. You would like advice regarding this.
Under common law, when you enter into a contract, both parties are bound by any terms and conditions that have formed part of any pre-contract negotiations.
If nothing related to your issue is included in the terms and conditions, or, Blizzard/Activision are not following terms included, you may be able to hold Blizzard/Activision in breach of contract.
If Blizzard/Activision are not complying with the terms and conditions you agreed upon when purchasing your virtual collection cards you could say they have breached the contract.
The information I have sent has been passed to Trading Standards - I suppose in case anybody else also complains - they have a record.
The wording is quite similar in those last two paragraphs - but there is a subtle difference I think.
I think it is only fair to say - they are advising only on what information they have been given from me (which may not be full and complete). They have not accessed terms and conditions of sale or any such detail at this stage (that would follow if the matter went further).
They have advised:
Advice: Tell Blizzard/Activision that you’ve got a problem. If you can’t agree how to sort it out, ask them what their complaints process is
Action 1) I contacted one of the Specialist Gamesmasters via submitting an online ticket as my first action. They suggested firstly posting in the forum as moderators check these and can respond. As there has been no moderator input to our posts on this matter, I asked what the next step should be.
Action 2) He suggested I email pr@blizzard.com - this I did on Friday 12/02/20 and received an automated response basically saying that because of the volume of emails they may not reply to them all. I was re-directed via a link to the usual ‘contact us’ links that were not helpful initially.
Action 3) Lastly I was advised to contact the legal department. They do not accept emails, so I am in the process of writing an official complaints letter to them. Their address (if anyone wants to pursue a complaint) is:
Blizzard Entertainment SAS
ATTN: Legal Department
145 rue Yves le Coz
78000 Versailles
France
They advised I do via recorded delivery so I can track it and prove it has been received.
The next course of action will depend on what Blizzard’s response to my complaint is. I will keep the forum updated as to any response/reply I receive. Of course - if moderators wish to put a public statement on the forum then that would be most welcome of course.
Trading Standards cannot obtain refunds from a company but they can take them to court and force suspension of business if there is a warranted case.
Yes - one person complaining against a huge multi-national company seems like an impossible feat - but you have to start somewhere, right?
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Well, this is incorrect. Sets that rotate out to Wild do not refund any dust and this is a set that rotates out.
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